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Rommeria wrote:

firstly, I am not a man.
you were not just repeating what they said. you said yourself you believe woman should be forced to carry babies for the good of the regime, and you have not been banned yet in my hopes that this is some type of language barrier, but I am starting to doubt that.

4d donkeys and Burmas

4d donkeys

Jishuin wrote:You would have been freed from the shackles if it had not been for the intervention of British and American imperialism in the Greek Revolution.

Yes I would. The Greek EAM (National Liberation Front) at the time of 1944 at its peak, was a Socialist organization of the Proletariat, that freed Greece alone with no outside help except some red army forces. Today there's propaganda that the UK and the US freed us from the germans but deep in the history books lies the truth. So by December of 1944 the EAM had captured Greece and it was about to turn it into a communist country, until in early 1945 they just gave the country away to the bourgoise before the bourgoise could defeat them. At that time EAM had the support of 90% of greeks (including all my grandparents and most of the elderly who is still alive and I know, even most right-wingers). In middle-1945 a revolution followed to reclaim Greece as a socialist state. It failed. Then in 1946-49 another revolution started to make Greece socialist. The communist party of Greece was winning until in 1949 the US and UK started bombing us :(

Since then Greece has seen 2 more socialist revolts, one in 1973 against the far-right dictators, that failed, and a more recent one in 2008 against police forces and conservativism, that also failed. This greek antifascist worker's uprising of 2008 was very quickly forgotten by the people though, just like May of '68 in Paris...

Edit: if you're wondering, Greece has had 2 more revolts of the farmers. One in 1910, named the Kileler Uprising that was an agrarian anarcho-communist revolution in Thessaly, and the other one in 1843 that was against the Kings of Greece and feudalist autocracy in general.

Bovad, Jishuin, and Manchukurun

Pajonia wrote:firstly, I am not a man.

Sorry, ma'am (or comrade or however you prefer?).

Pajonia wrote:no, women should not be forced to carry babies for “the good of the regime”.

not gonna tolerate anyone advocating for people being forced to give birth, watch your words carefully.

Can’t quite believe this is the discussion but if you’re not putting people over politics then your policies are wrong.

Pajonia, Phinxia, The Antarian Commonwealth, 4d donkeys, and 3 othersManchukurun, Ma pi kulupu, and Burmas

4d donkeys wrote:Yes I would. The Greek EAM (National Liberation Front) at the time of 1944 at its peak, was a Socialist organization of the Proletariat, that freed Greece alone with no outside help except some red army forces. Today there's propaganda that the UK and the US freed us from the germans but deep in the history books lies the truth. So by December of 1944 the EAM had captured Greece and it was about to turn it into a communist country, until in early 1945 they just gave the country away to the bourgoise before the bourgoise could defeat them. At that time EAM had the support of 90% of greeks (including all my grandparents and most of the elderly who is still alive and I know, even most right-wingers). In middle-1945 a revolution followed to reclaim Greece as a socialist state. It failed. Then in 1946-49 another revolution started to make Greece socialist. The communist party of Greece was winning until in 1949 the US and UK started bombing us :(

Since then Greece has seen 2 more socialist revolts, one in 1973 against the far-right dictators, that failed, and a more recent one in 2008 against police forces and conservativism, that also failed. This greek antifascist worker's uprising of 2008 was very quickly forgotten by the people though, just like May of '68 in Paris...

Edit: if you're wondering, Greece has had 2 more revolts of the farmers. One in 1910, named the Kileler Uprising that was an agrarian anarcho-communist revolution in Thessaly, and the other one in 1843 that was against the Kings of Greece and feudalist autocracy in general.

I give you two words from the father of our country. I hope you can remember them. Make trouble, fail, make trouble again, fail again, and perish -- this is the logic of imperialism and all the reactionaries in the world in their treatment of the people's cause
Struggle, fail, struggle again, fail again, struggle again until victory -- this is the logic of the people(I changed a translation software, I don't know how this time)

4d donkeys and Burmas

Kirrlark wrote:Can’t quite believe this is the discussion but if you’re not putting people over politics then your policies are wrong.

Honestly, I'd even say it's Counterrevolutionary/Counterreformist. Being like a bourgeois in politics is indeed counterrevolutionary. Socialist Governments should ALWAYS put people ahead of Ideological beliefs, Our Belief is Their Good Fate, we Shan't Put politics before people, Never Ever ever ever ever...(Times 90) shall we do so.
(Edit: Do i Really have to bring up arguments? Isn't Socialism and Communism's Aim the same thing I Said? to Improve the life of the PEOPLE?

Flying-penguins wrote:The main logic behind conscription is for the nation's self-defense. However, conscription is mostly only adopted by nations with a small population such as Singapore, Chile, Austria, Israel or Denmark, or militarist governments or countries with hostile relations with its neighbours, such as Ukraine, Russia, North Korea and South Korea.

Let's think about it: You have 4.38 Billion people in your country. Even if you only conscript people aged 16-18 for 3 years, your military will increase its size by roughly 180 Million. Where will all that money come from?

In economics, it's not only the productivity that matters. The cost of opportunity also matters; and in this case, your economy is most likely to decrease by 10% in terms of annual revenue. Sure, youth rebelliousness and crime rates will decrease, but won't that affect your civil rights and have other effects?

This is Nationstates. I don’t have to worry about all that.

Rommeria wrote:As I said, that depends on demographic situation. I see nothing "regressive" there, this is mere pragmatism. But, yeah, ban on contraception is extreme, I can agree. I installed this policy accidentally and probably will cancel it once I get the chance.I would not call it outright authoritarian for this case. Though since I am an authleft, I do not care either way. State provides the citizens prosperity and safety (at least it should, ideally) and in return citizens should have their own responsibilities to the state. Which of course involves producing new citizens for continuation of the state and society.
For me it seems natural. "Whims" of the state and economy? Does not socialism include collectivism? Does not collectivism mean giving a group priority over individual in it?

Collectivism must represent the interests of the proletarian people and must also embody the will of the proletarian people.the state is supported by the people, The people are users of the state apparatus.Therefore, it is the duty of the State to ensure security for the people.While people are forbidden to have abortions, they are deprived of their corresponding rights, it is a manifestation of the state apparatus and interest groups in turn oppressing the people.According to "pragmatism", is it necessary to force each couple to have four children in order to promote the population?
Then arrange the menstrual police to check the female ovulation period?The last person who did this has died.The people have abandoned him and the socialist country.

Jishuin

I dont care about gods or pragmatism or whatever. If your nation aint letting peeps decide over their bodies then your nation aint worth jack

Rommeria

People freedom China wrote:Collectivism must represent the interests of the proletarian people and must also embody the will of the proletarian people.the state is supported by the people, The people are users of the state apparatus.Therefore, it is the duty of the State to ensure security for the people.While people are forbidden to have abortions, they are deprived of their corresponding rights, it is a manifestation of the state apparatus and interest groups in turn oppressing the people.According to "pragmatism", is it necessary to force each couple to have four children in order to promote the population?
Then arrange the menstrual police to check the female ovulation period?The last person who did this has died.The people have abandoned him and the socialist country.

I will not continue this discussion, since the administration is not on my side and they would easily find some reason to ban me, which is not my purpose. I would however commend you in particular for providing some sort of actual arguments at least, unlike the rest.

4d donkeys

Jishuin wrote:snip

I live in a country where in some towns parents send their kids to catechism not because of belief, but because is a common thing. "Catechism" is a course religion classes at the local catholic church.

My parents are both communist and in their hometown catechism is not common, so we didn't (and still don't) go to church, but when some schoolmates asked me and my brother "Did you come to catechism? We didn't see you yesterday", we started to go all together to mass (we asked them "What's catechism? Everyone do it, we want too!" like we would have done later when an other classmate invented he was having karate classes). They thought we should have made our own choice and also we could have avoided to attain "serious" classes that adults lacking sacraments (christian "rites of passage") are forced to participate before having a catholic wedding ceremony, which is also still very common.

Catechism was a total waste of time during which a volunteer talked about nothing for an hour. In the year of preparation for communion (a Christian sacrament), the nun just tried to keep an annoying girl quiet. I learned more about Christianity with The Simpsons and history of art lessons in middle and high school. However, as a kid I liked Jesus because he was a very good guy (not because he was the big boss's son).

Growing up, I understood that Church is the best example of an Italian expression, "preach good and scratch bad", so I just go to funerals. I do not think of myself as atheist or agnostic, because I do not really care about gods and stuff. What I learnt is that religion is a way for not following a good example, because they are "too special" comparing to "normal ones".

Jishuin wrote:I give you two words from the father of our country. I hope you can remember them. Make trouble, fail, make trouble again, fail again, and perish -- this is the logic of imperialism and all the reactionaries in the world in their treatment of the people's cause
Struggle, fail, struggle again, fail again, struggle again until victory -- this is the logic of the people(I changed a translation software, I don't know how this time)

Ok that's great I understand. Now I will tell you a quote from the ancient greek Pericles: ''Liberty is only for the oppressed people who are able to defend their rights.'' and there is another great quote from a medieval king: ''Give people reforms or they will give you revolution, and take back those reforms when the people can't do a revolution''

Rommeria wrote:I will not continue this discussion, since the administration is not on my side and they would easily find some reason to ban me, which is not my purpose. I would however commend you in particular for providing some sort of actual arguments at least, unlike the rest.

I don't wanna intervene in your discussion like a pesky annoying individual I might be, just going to give some tips
Since I'm male, I probably shouldn't have a say in those kinds of things in the first place.
But I would advise you comrades to agree on something. People here have different opinions and it wouldn't truly benefit the mods to kick you out because then we lose members and our members are comrades. No I don't agree with your opinions at all because they're a bit conservative and I fully comprehend the mods being angry when hearing you. But you could somehow propitiate the mod and you would both conform as comrades. I'm not asking for someone to change their opinions here. At the end of the day, we shall accept all leftists here as the front page of TCB states clearly that we're pan-leftist and intersectional. And the mods shouldn't kick out our comrades, as long as our comrades don't offend anybody.

Rommeria

4d donkeys wrote:I don't wanna intervene in your discussion like a pesky annoying individual I might be, just going to give some tips
Since I'm male, I probably shouldn't have a say in those kinds of things in the first place.
But I would advise you comrades to agree on something. People here have different opinions and it wouldn't truly benefit the mods to kick you out because then we lose members and our members are comrades. No I don't agree with your opinions at all because they're a bit conservative and I fully comprehend the mods being angry when hearing you. But you could somehow propitiate the mod and you would both conform as comrades. I'm not asking for someone to change their opinions here. At the end of the day, we shall accept all leftists here as the front page of TCB states clearly that we're pan-leftist and intersectional. And the mods shouldn't kick out our comrades, as long as our comrades don't offend anybody.

Thanks for understanding.

4d donkeys wrote:But I would advise you comrades to agree on something.

Well, I think we can agree that ban on contraception is extreme, so what? People just always like disagreeing with each other more, that's only natural (and fun).

4d donkeys

Rommeria wrote:snip

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Rommeria wrote:snip

Rommeria wrote:snip

It's your own word choicing that makes you look bad, not others'.
Our moderators dot not banject people just because they disagree with their own opinion. Your statement was against the right to a safe medical procedure that is fundamental for women to freely live their sexuality. I deeply agree with mod's suppression.
Regarding your "new-citizen production" regulation, it is an objectification of human beings and very similar to intensive farming of cows and chickens.

New Astri, Ma pi kulupu, and Burmas

Brezzia wrote:It's your own word choicing that makes you look bad, not others'.
Our moderators dot not banject people just because they disagree with their own opinion. Your statement was against the right to a safe medical procedure that is fundamental for women to freely live their sexuality. I deeply agree with mod's suppression.
Regarding your "new-citizen production" regulation, it is an objectification of human beings and very similar to intensive farming of cows and chickens.

I agree

4d donkeys wrote:Ok that's great I understand. Now I will tell you a quote from the ancient greek Pericles: ''Liberty is only for the oppressed people who are able to defend their rights.'' and there is another great quote from a medieval king: ''Give people reforms or they will give you revolution, and take back those reforms when the people can't do a revolution''
I don't wanna intervene in your discussion like a pesky annoying individual I might be, just going to give some tips
Since I'm male, I probably shouldn't have a say in those kinds of things in the first place.
But I would advise you comrades to agree on something. People here have different opinions and it wouldn't truly benefit the mods to kick you out because then we lose members and our members are comrades. No I don't agree with your opinions at all because they're a bit conservative and I fully comprehend the mods being angry when hearing you. But you could somehow propitiate the mod and you would both conform as comrades. I'm not asking for someone to change their opinions here. At the end of the day, we shall accept all leftists here as the front page of TCB states clearly that we're pan-leftist and intersectional. And the mods shouldn't kick out our comrades, as long as our comrades don't offend anybody.

anyone that is against abortion and bodily autonomy isn’t a comrade of mine. period.

Phinxia, Bovad, 4d donkeys, Ma pi kulupu, and 1 otherBurmas

hello here are the result of a political test that explains why i am in the union / contruticvsime = 31 - 17 = essentialisme / justice réhabilitive = 38 - 31 = justice punitive / progressime = 24 - 43 = conservatisme / internationalisme = 50 - 31 = nationalisme / communisme = 90 - 7 = capitalist / regulatione = 40 - 38 = laissez faire / ecologic = 57 - 21 = productivisme / revolutione = 55 - 29 = reformiste.

to be clear: we do not allow conservatism and bigoted viewpoints here. if you have a problem with not allowing this type of rhetoric into our leftist space you are more than welcome to leave. under no circumstances will I tolerate homophobia, transphobia, pro lifers, or any other ideology that may make our members feel uncomfortable or unsafe.

4d donkeys, Ma pi kulupu, Burmas, and Lofidia

Pajonia wrote:anyone that is against abortion and bodily autonomy isn’t a comrade of mine. period.

Same

Flying-penguins wrote:The main logic behind conscription is for the nation's self-defense.

Not necessarily; whilst most nations employing it use it to prop up their military recruitment, there is nothing stopping conscription being used for peaceful purposes instead.
For example, it could also be to promote citizenship, to promote understanding of the environment, to provide a workforce for large scale civil engineering projects, to provide a humanitarian/disaster relief workforce, to bolster the nation's agricultural output, etc. (Ie, similar tasking to the Civilian Conservation Corps, The Women's Land Army, or other historical organisations).

Manchukurun

British petroleum gas

What is 9+10

Therlica

Proletarska

British petroleum gas wrote:What is 9+10

19 ( Also known as 21 )

Sacred bread, Therlica, and Repolaa

Canadian democratic republics

Shamian wrote:Not necessarily; whilst most nations employing it use it to prop up their military recruitment, there is nothing stopping conscription being used for peaceful purposes instead.
For example, it could also be to promote citizenship, to promote understanding of the environment, to provide a workforce for large scale civil engineering projects, to provide a humanitarian/disaster relief workforce, to bolster the nation's agricultural output, etc. (Ie, similar tasking to the Civilian Conservation Corps, The Women's Land Army, or other historical organisations).

Songun is the best example in said case, the KPA is used for many city/town projects and helps out the workforce in many different ways!

Manchukurun

Flying-penguins wrote:The main logic behind conscription is for the nation's self-defense.... In economics, it's not only the productivity that matters. The cost of opportunity also matters; and in this case, your economy is most likely to decrease by 10% in terms of annual revenue.

In Manchukurun, conscription is performed for all citizens for a period of two years, but not into the military proper (which is smaller on purpose), but into a number of people's militias. This is used as a means of equalization, civic participation, as a jobs program (they have a selection of jobs to choose from while in service; dependent on education), and as a method of ensuring responsibility as the state arms the populace (Also for economic reasons; large arms manufacturing). At the end of that they can enter the military proper if they like and if they excel.

Conscription originally came into being to help their Korean comrades against the western powers. Part of the power struggle of the early CPM to eliminate factionalism was undermining a set of military leaders that carried reactionary ideas from a traditionalist bend (allegedly). The first general secretary was able to convince the CPC faction of the party to help instate him as the head of the military contingent on a purge of the soviet faction with the implication being that the nation would be more dependent on the PLA. This was compelling as Manchurian militarism had actively been forced to side with the Japanese in WW2, and so China was a big fan of their disarmament. The ultimate effect of this was to eliminate all factions of opposition (including the Chinese faction, who were forced to publicly pretend this never happened), and consolidate a progressive civil service under the direct control of the party. With no opposition left they did not even have to actually disarm. The supremacy of the professional military was genuinely taken down 18 pegs though, and in the year 2045 the professional military only contains necessary experts and the forces necessary to hold off invasion for 4-6 months in time for the people's militias to be fully mobilized.

Rommeria wrote:On the topic of abortions, I think that should be decided depending on the demographic sutuation. If the state has the need for larger population, abortions should be restricted. If it faces overpopulation, then abortions can be allowed in all cases. My nation is going to restrict abortions and contraception. We need more workforce and recruits in our struggle against capitalist world.

Stating for the record... that I do not agree with the above statement. I liked this statement by accident.
But you're certainty entitled to your opinions.

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