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Eleutherya wrote:In my nation, religions got banned long time ago, and nowadays don't exist at all because the Grand Commune tries is best to be a heaven on earth for everyone.

God is dead, society without oppression is born.

That sounds great, I would agree but I personally think that simply teaching people (mostly children) about physics of biological matter, Darwin's theories, The Scientific Method, etc would do the job better on guiding people out of religion than just straight up banning it for everyone.

In my nation, 4D Donkeys, religion isn't banned but a lot of the country's income is devoted to public education and now my country has an all-time high atheism rate, with even the most religious-dependant people becoming secular.

I can relate this to Lenin's policies in the early USSR, where he didn't ban religion, but he got 50% of the Russian population to be atheistic, and this was IN 1924! We can tell Lenin's strategy to help the people worked well here.

Bovad, Jishuin, and Rommeria

By the way, how did you first develop feelings for religion, good or bad?
When I was young, my family taught me not to believe these things and said that this is not a good thing. At the time, I didn't understand why they said that. Until I was in middle school, I didn't think religion was something that taught people to be good. Until a few Christians I met regularly on the bus made me change my mind. They preach on the bus that their god is omnipotent and that everything is created by God. Then they saw that I was young and gave me a booklet which I didn't even put in my pocket and got out of the car. I read that pamphlet and I hated Christianity. It says that everything you receive is a gift from God, and it also says that all the achievements since the founding of the country are the will of God. Didn't all this construction come from the people? Why did this group of people come to take credit? So I have no interest in religion. And Marx also said that religion is the spiritual opium that anesthetizes the people, so I went to study some mainstream religions, and after I came to the conclusion that they were all closed and dogmatic, I completely stayed away.

Jishuin wrote:How to help me restore atheism this policy was cancelled due to a mistake

Just wait, not a big deal. There are several issues that provide opportunity to install this policy.

Rommeria

On the topic of abortions, I think that should be decided depending on the demographic sutuation. If the state has the need for larger population, abortions should be restricted. If it faces overpopulation, then abortions can be allowed in all cases. My nation is going to restrict abortions and contraception. We need more workforce and recruits in our struggle against capitalist world.

Slavnicia wrote:I have successfully aided my comrade into their joining of The Communist Bloc.

Awesome

Thoughts on

Jishuin wrote:All I can say is that China doesn't care because these are normal in this society. On the contrary, you in the West insist on taking those things to extremes. You in the West strongly support it because of political correctness (in the past, the West strongly opposed these because of religious issues) and because of your past cultural influence, you will think that if China does not promote it, it is opposed to it. On the contrary, China's attitude has acquiesced to this phenomenon.And the issue of ethnicity and gender is because the economic base determines the superstructure because the capitalist system is implemented. Do you really think the socialism in your textbooks is real?)

Yes, there're lots of LGBT+s in China who lives a normal live as others. Although discrimination still exists, it is much better than before and they can live their own lives.

Tastiana wrote:Yes, there're lots of LGBT+s in China who lives a normal live as others. Although discrimination still exists, it is much better than before and they can live their own lives.

However, only religious groups and their followers are most opposed to these

Tastiana

Jishuin wrote:By the way, how did you first develop feelings for religion, good or bad?
When I was young, my family taught me not to believe these things and said that this is not a good thing. At the time, I didn't understand why they said that. Until I was in middle school, I didn't think religion was something that taught people to be good. Until a few Christians I met regularly on the bus made me change my mind. They preach on the bus that their god is omnipotent and that everything is created by God. Then they saw that I was young and gave me a booklet which I didn't even put in my pocket and got out of the car. I read that pamphlet and I hated Christianity. It says that everything you receive is a gift from God, and it also says that all the achievements since the founding of the country are the will of God. Didn't all this construction come from the people? Why did this group of people come to take credit? So I have no interest in religion. And Marx also said that religion is the spiritual opium that anesthetizes the people, so I went to study some mainstream religions, and after I came to the conclusion that they were all closed and dogmatic, I completely stayed away.

Interesting stuff.
For me it went quite differently: when I was 3 years old and I attended pre-kindergarden at the time, in my country (Greece) it's mandatory for all children of any age to pray daily in school. I know this sounds like brain washing for little kids, and it is. Because all my friends at the time thought they believed in god, I said I believed too. My parents noticed this and they told me ''ok we will let you decide by yourself if you believe or not'' so last year I grew older and I started learning about physics by myself through the internet, I learned about biology and these scientific stuff and I moved myself away from god and all religions. I also had 2 atheist/deist real-life friends last year and we co-operated together to find out if god is real or not. We eventually decided on atheism. Untill then I used to be questioning if god exists or not, but now I'm atheist. As I'm quite young I can't surely say I'm atheist yet but that's where I'm leaning at right now. That's my story.

Rommeria wrote:On the topic of abortions, I think that should be decided depending on the demographic sutuation. If the state has the need for larger population, abortions should be restricted. If it faces overpopulation, then abortions can be allowed in all cases. My nation is going to restrict abortions and contraception. We need more workforce and recruits in our struggle against capitalist world.

i hope that's all roleplay, and you don't actually believe contraception(!) and abortion should be restricted like that. womens' rights shouldn't be sacrificed whenever based on the whims of the state and economy. that's a regressive, immoral policy.

Technoscience Leftwing and Belsuetania

Rommeria wrote:On the topic of abortions, I think that should be decided depending on the demographic sutuation. If the state has the need for larger population, abortions should be restricted. If it faces overpopulation, then abortions can be allowed in all cases. My nation is going to restrict abortions and contraception. We need more workforce and recruits in our struggle against capitalist world.

Seems very authoritarian, I don’t see why the state should have any say over individuals and their personal/healthcare/reproductive decisions

4D Donkeys, Ma pi kulupu, and Belsuetania

4D Donkeys wrote:Interesting stuff.
For me it went quite differently: when I was 3 years old and I attended pre-kindergarden at the time, in my country (Greece) it's mandatory for all children of any age to pray daily in school. I know this sounds like brain washing for little kids, and it is. Because all my friends at the time thought they believed in god, I said I believed too. My parents noticed this and they told me ''ok we will let you decide by yourself if you believe or not'' so last year I grew older and I started learning about physics by myself through the internet, I learned about biology and these scientific stuff and I moved myself away from god and all religions. I also had 2 atheist/deist real-life friends last year and we co-operated together to find out if god is real or not. We eventually decided on atheism. Untill then I used to be questioning if god exists or not, but now I'm atheist. As I'm quite young I can't surely say I'm atheist yet but that's where I'm leaning at right now. That's my story.

You would have been freed from the shackles if it had not been for the intervention of British and American imperialism in the Greek Revolution.

Jishuin wrote:By the way, how did you first develop feelings for religion, good or bad?
When I was young, my family taught me not to believe these things and said that this is not a good thing. At the time, I didn't understand why they said that. Until I was in middle school, I didn't think religion was something that taught people to be good. Until a few Christians I met regularly on the bus made me change my mind. They preach on the bus that their god is omnipotent and that everything is created by God. Then they saw that I was young and gave me a booklet which I didn't even put in my pocket and got out of the car. I read that pamphlet and I hated Christianity. It says that everything you receive is a gift from God, and it also says that all the achievements since the founding of the country are the will of God. Didn't all this construction come from the people? Why did this group of people come to take credit? So I have no interest in religion. And Marx also said that religion is the spiritual opium that anesthetizes the people, so I went to study some mainstream religions, and after I came to the conclusion that they were all closed and dogmatic, I completely stayed away.

I come from the Guangdong area with a strong folk religious atmosphere.Buddha, Jade Emperor, Mazu and other gods accept people's incense and worship in my hometown.Although they originate from different religions,but people in their hometown can worship the God of Wealth and Mazu without pressure after worshipping the Buddha.They are not believers of one religion or martyrs, but they can also be said to be believers of any religion.It depends on whether the gods can satisfy the wishes of the believers.I once had this idea of religion, pinning the success of things on the gods.Ever since I became a leftist, I 've become a staunch atheist.Marx's attitude towards religion is: opium on one side, and comfort on the other.There is no denying that religion also plays a role in promoting morality.Therefore, I support the freedom of religious belief and actively support the secularization of religion.Leaving religion away from the economic, political and ideological spheres.

Jishuin wrote:By the way, how did you first develop feelings for religion, good or bad?
When I was young, my family taught me not to believe these things and said that this is not a good thing. At the time, I didn't understand why they said that. Until I was in middle school, I didn't think religion was something that taught people to be good. Until a few Christians I met regularly on the bus made me change my mind. They preach on the bus that their god is omnipotent and that everything is created by God. Then they saw that I was young and gave me a booklet which I didn't even put in my pocket and got out of the car. I read that pamphlet and I hated Christianity. It says that everything you receive is a gift from God, and it also says that all the achievements since the founding of the country are the will of God. Didn't all this construction come from the people? Why did this group of people come to take credit? So I have no interest in religion. And Marx also said that religion is the spiritual opium that anesthetizes the people, so I went to study some mainstream religions, and after I came to the conclusion that they were all closed and dogmatic, I completely stayed away.

Long story honestly, well, short.
When I was about 4 I was persuaded by a cousin to attend church mass's (Masses? i don't know.) My parents Had little interest in this at this time. Until this happened.
The 1st, official report of a catholic Rapeist-Priest came out, at this time my parents began to take notice of sorts because I wasn't aware of It. Do when I was 7 I became a so-called Ministrant, i don't know how do you translate It but it's basically a position of a priests assistant. When I was 8 I started to develop my views on the church, I was a Radical Nationalist as I have said Like 2 months ago, and thought about the church as a inseparable part of life, and that Non-Catholics (Yes I was a catholic but a jew from descent too) should be locked up in prisons or something. As I was coming more of age that's about 11 or 10, I started to believe that church is just a hindrance to progress, an obstacle to a better future anyway all the Anticlericalist stuff. And My cousin's parents tried to turn me away from that view. Well, until a tragic thing happened. My own cousin, raped by my priest.
I Hope none of you have felt the same thing I felt when I got to know. It only solidified my view.
So yeah, my relationship with religion was one of constant change. Seeing also that our Polish church is Intolerant, Reactionary, oligarchic, Not treated with justice and is the Greatest Funder of racism and hate in Poland, It is Not a good one currently.

Canadian democratic republics

4D Donkeys wrote:Hello there comrade, I have an idea, you can imagine and write a factbook about the political parties inside your country and what they do. I have already written that in my factbooks so you may want to take a look. Or just view random factbooks from other members of TCB to get some ideas.

Thank you!

Antifacistaction

Hey!

4D Donkeys wrote:That sounds great, I would agree but I personally think that simply teaching people (mostly children) about physics of biological matter, Darwin's theories, The Scientific Method, etc would do the job better on guiding people out of religion than just straight up banning it for everyone.

In my nation, 4D Donkeys, religion isn't banned but a lot of the country's income is devoted to public education and now my country has an all-time high atheism rate, with even the most religious-dependant people becoming secular.

I can relate this to Lenin's policies in the early USSR, where he didn't ban religion, but he got 50% of the Russian population to be atheistic, and this was IN 1924! We can tell Lenin's strategy to help the people worked well here.

Tbh countries shouldn’t ban the freedom of religion in general. I don’t rly believe in god or that there is a holy spirit that created this universe, but even then that doesn’t mean that forcing them to not believe in religion is a good idea—for me, at least. Personally, just let other people believe what they want to believe. If we force people and make them unable to believe, think, and do certain things that would be perfectly normal, it’s no different than the oppression we speak of…

To be honest, educating people about science to make them think twice about religious figures is a better move than straight up forcing your people to be atheist—I probably shouldn’t have to say why.

4D Donkeys and Rommeria

Ma pi kulupu wrote:i hope that's all roleplay, and you don't actually believe contraception(!) and abortion should be restricted like that. womens' rights shouldn't be sacrificed whenever based on the whims of the state and economy. that's a regressive, immoral policy.

As I said, that depends on demographic situation. I see nothing "regressive" there, this is mere pragmatism. But, yeah, ban on contraception is extreme, I can agree. I installed this policy accidentally and probably will cancel it once I get the chance.

Kirrlark wrote:Seems very authoritarian, I don’t see why the state should have any say over individuals and their personal/healthcare/reproductive decisions

I would not call it outright authoritarian for this case. Though since I am an authleft, I do not care either way. State provides the citizens prosperity and safety (at least it should, ideally) and in return citizens should have their own responsibilities to the state. Which of course involves producing new citizens for continuation of the state and society.
For me it seems natural. "Whims" of the state and economy? Does not socialism include collectivism? Does not collectivism mean giving a group priority over individual in it?

Rommeria wrote:As I said, that depends on demographic situation. I see nothing "regressive" there, this is mere pragmatism. But, yeah, ban on contraception is extreme, I can agree. I installed this policy accidentally and probably will cancel it once I get the chance.I would not call it outright authoritarian for this case. Though since I am an authleft, I do not care either way. State provides the citizens prosperity and safety (at least it should, ideally) and in return citizens should have their own responsibilities to the state. Which of course involves producing new citizens for continuation of the state and society.
For me it seems natural. "Whims" of the state and economy? Does not socialism include collectivism? Does not collectivism mean giving a group priority over individual in it?

legislating restrictions on the bodies of women is inherently regressive. if your collectivism includes the oppression of a demographic, it's fascism, not socialism. think harder about what you're doing: should women have to carry a baby to term for the good of the political regime? is that human?

Kirrlark, 4D Donkeys, and Burmas

I can only say that the Chinese-English translation of Google Translate still needs to be improved. I just checked carefully and found a lot of mistakes.

Post by Rommeria suppressed by Pajonia.

Rommeria

Ma pi kulupu wrote:legislating restrictions on the bodies of women is inherently regressive. if your collectivism includes the oppression of a demographic, it's fascism, not socialism. think harder about what you're doing: should women have to carry a baby to term for the good of the political regime? is that human?

Good job at choosing words in the most accusatory tone possible. Now I will look bad, but I will still say this: yes, they should carry a baby for the good of the political "regime". That is not a restriction on what they can do with their own body (ban on contraception would be it, and that is why I agree that this is extreme), it is a restriction on what they can do with their baby's body, which is not their property. If a woman does not want to have a baby, then she should use contraception. If a woman doesn't want to have a baby but still got impregnated, then she can submit the baby to the state to be put in orphanage, after they were born. No point in doing abortion (unless it is dangerous for a woman to give birth) and wasting the life of a new citizen.

Rommeria wrote:snip

no, women should not be forced to carry babies for “the good of the regime”.

not gonna tolerate anyone advocating for people being forced to give birth, watch your words carefully.

Shamian, Phinxia, Rural worcestershire, Repolaa, and 3 othersKirrlark, Manchukurun, and Ma pi kulupu

Rommeria

Pajonia wrote:no, women should not be forced to carry babies for “the good of the regime”.

not gonna tolerate anyone advocating for people being forced to give birth, watch your words carefully.

Pff, can't see what kind of rule I broke here, but I am complaisant guy, so as you wish, sir. Again, good job, Ma pi kulupu, at choosing accusatory words, I even get punished for repeating them after you.

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