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Ossetania wrote:Good afternoon brothers and sisters, I'd just like to ask what the people in this region think of Sedevacantism?

Simply put, it's a heresy.

Castle Federation wrote:Simply put, it's a heresy.

But is it? Time to quote the Encyclopedia from Catholic Answers:

Both matter and form of heresy admit of degrees which find expression in the following technical formulae of theology and canon law. Pertinacious adhesion to a doctrine contradictory to a point of faith clearly defined by the Church is heresy pure and simple, heresy in the first degree. But if the doctrine in question has not been expressly “defined” or is not clearly proposed as an article of faith in the ordinary, authorized teaching of the Church, an opinion opposed to it is styled sententia haeresi proxima, that is, an opinion approaching heresy. Next, a doctrinal proposition, without directly contradicting a received dogma, may yet involve logical consequences at variance with revealed truth. Such a proposition is not heretical, it is a propositio theologice erronea, that is, erroneous in theology. Further, the opposition to an article of faith may not be strictly demonstrable, but only reach a certain degree of probability. In that case the doctrine is termed sententia de haeresi suspecta, haeresim sapiens; that is, an opinion suspected, or savoring, of heresy (see Censures, Theological).

This is not to say that they are not absolutely wrong, but they are not going against a "doctrine" of the church per se but instead are annoying technical nitpicks (using false nits as well) and thus claiming lots of things "invalid" like rabid Pharisees.

Frustrated Franciscans wrote:But is it? Time to quote the Encyclopedia from Catholic Answers:

Both matter and form of heresy admit of degrees which find expression in the following technical formulae of theology and canon law. Pertinacious adhesion to a doctrine contradictory to a point of faith clearly defined by the Church is heresy pure and simple, heresy in the first degree. But if the doctrine in question has not been expressly “defined” or is not clearly proposed as an article of faith in the ordinary, authorized teaching of the Church, an opinion opposed to it is styled sententia haeresi proxima, that is, an opinion approaching heresy. Next, a doctrinal proposition, without directly contradicting a received dogma, may yet involve logical consequences at variance with revealed truth. Such a proposition is not heretical, it is a propositio theologice erronea, that is, erroneous in theology. Further, the opposition to an article of faith may not be strictly demonstrable, but only reach a certain degree of probability. In that case the doctrine is termed sententia de haeresi suspecta, haeresim sapiens; that is, an opinion suspected, or savoring, of heresy (see Censures, Theological).

This is not to say that they are not absolutely wrong, but they are not going against a "doctrine" of the church per se but instead are annoying technical nitpicks (using false nits as well) and thus claiming lots of things "invalid" like rabid Pharisees.

If not heretics, then at least schismatics.

Well, Vatican II as an ecumenical council is what is leading these sorts of people to deny the validity of St. John XXIII's papacy in the first place. In many ways it is a denial of the central tenets of Ecclesiology because they want to believe that the council is not a true act of the Church's Magisterium. Ecumenical councils are fundamental to teaching since they define and act to combat heresies (even though Vatican II admittedly lacks this usual character of a council.)

So I would say at the core of their falsity is the concept that the passage from Matthew is false:

And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”

They play this game by saying that the papacy simply did not transfer in order to avoid having to say they disagree with the teachings of the Universal Church, but in the end that is the reality. They just use sedevacantism as a means to avoid seeming all too subjective and arbitrary even though they still are.

The idea that a pope who was duly elected by a conclave of cardinals can be a false pope who falls into doctrinal error and begin an ecumenical council that is false or against the foundational teachings of the Church is foundationally heretical in my view. It opposes Matthew and Sacred Tradition as it manifests in the place and dignity of the See of Peter.

There is a lot of theological nitpicking that gets involved here. The role of the church and even the authority of the pope "evolved" over the centuries. The "schism" between the east and west had a lot to do with this evolution. Just look at the example in Acts. Peter's first major church crisis resulted in him calling for a "council." So, the early church had those churches founded by apostles with the episcopal sees having a higher position (patriarchs) and the one in Rome founded by Peter having the "primacy" (until Constantinople tried to claim that it was the new Rome and primacy should be based on political importance and population; when that went over like a lead brick they pulled the "OK Equals" angle).

And here is the kicker here. That Petrine primacy? The only thing a pope has said under the Chair of Peter in the years they have insisted that the pope was vacant was "we have no authority to ordain women" which I don't think they would particularly disagree with.

Anyway, got to run to Mass.

Ossetania wrote:Good afternoon brothers and sisters, I'd just like to ask what the people in this region think of Sedevacantism?

sedevacantism is just a weird Latin spinoffs of Eastern Orthodoxy

I put back my old flag after my Roman Appreciation Year, if you all will notice my old flag resembles the old Roman Legionary flags and Banners, and instead of Paleologos coat of Arms, the Miniature coat of Arms of our ruling Family(Insulus) is the one being bore by the two-headed Imperial Eagle, and instead of SPQR, it writes ICRI(Imperial Catholic Republic of Insulusia).

now my old flag is back.

Cross symbolises Christianity.

Moon(Crescent) symbolises the Theotokos, The crescent moon is used in representations of Mary's miraculous conception and birth and signifies her glory and victory over time and space.

4(crescent moon) On the fourth day, God created the sun, the moon and the stars. and there are 4 evangelist(St. Luke, St. Mark, St. Matthew, and St. John)

Bordure symbolises the borders of Insulusia and the constant reminder to all Insulusian to follow God always as Death surrounds life and following our Lord is the only escape from death

color black and gold symbolises the quote "Death(Black) or Glory(Or/Gold)

Decembria

Post self-deleted by KINISTASTARD.

KINISTASTARD wrote:Hello

Welcome to the region!

Mars tyr

Post self-deleted by KINISTASTARD.

Mars tyr

Do we get to vote on regional issues in this game?

Mars tyr wrote:Do we get to vote on regional issues in this game?

Yes, though this takes place on the Discord where the regional government is housed. All citizens have the right to vote and propose legislation.

Potapoli

Just created the Union of Christian Nations‘ N-Day Faction: United Pacifists

Would love for you all to join and participate!!!

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Frustrated Franciscans wrote:But is it? Time to quote the Encyclopedia from Catholic Answers:

Both matter and form of heresy admit of degrees which find expression in the following technical formulae of theology and canon law. Pertinacious adhesion to a doctrine contradictory to a point of faith clearly defined by the Church is heresy pure and simple, heresy in the first degree. But if the doctrine in question has not been expressly “defined” or is not clearly proposed as an article of faith in the ordinary, authorized teaching of the Church, an opinion opposed to it is styled sententia haeresi proxima, that is, an opinion approaching heresy. Next, a doctrinal proposition, without directly contradicting a received dogma, may yet involve logical consequences at variance with revealed truth. Such a proposition is not heretical, it is a propositio theologice erronea, that is, erroneous in theology. Further, the opposition to an article of faith may not be strictly demonstrable, but only reach a certain degree of probability. In that case the doctrine is termed sententia de haeresi suspecta, haeresim sapiens; that is, an opinion suspected, or savoring, of heresy (see Censures, Theological).

This is not to say that they are not absolutely wrong, but they are not going against a "doctrine" of the church per se but instead are annoying technical nitpicks (using false nits as well) and thus claiming lots of things "invalid" like rabid Pharisees.

It's heresy and a rejection of the Catholic faith.

O God, Protector of all people and nations,
protect the people of Israel
from the violence and evil of others.
Keep them safe from the weapons of hate and destruction
and guard them against the deeds of evildoers.
Grant them your protection and care
in tranquility and peace.
Grant this through Christ our Lord.
Amen

Nesque, The Pilgrims in the Desert, Sephistan, and Colmis

Crusader antioch

"Per regional law, we strongly suggest not joining the World Assembly."

What does that mean? What is the law?

Crusader antioch wrote:"Per regional law, we strongly suggest not joining the World Assembly."

What does that mean? What is the law?

Because when you join the WA, you essentially relinquish your sovereignty to them. They pass laws which are automatically obliged to obey and you cannot legislate away.

Beiranoah, Liberfreedomia, and Colmis

Crusader antioch wrote:"Per regional law, we strongly suggest not joining the World Assembly."

What does that mean? What is the law?

Also the Core of Catholics which governs the region passed an official statement which encourages all nations in the region not to join the WA which is how that endorsement obtained the force of the region's law.

I completely forgot about zombie day lol.

"2 days ago: Devoted Decons ceased to exist."

That's unfortunate.

And when we needed them most, they returned!

I will discuss this in the Core Discord also, but are there any opinions on the recent invitation by the League of Christian Nations to open an embassy with us?

Insulusia wrote:
sedevacantism is just a weird Latin spinoffs of Eastern Orthodoxy

Considering recent happenings, let us pray against sedevacantism and other heresies perpetrated by the Devil, who seeks to divide Christ's Church. May the Virgin Mary intercede for all of us so we remain united under the Vicar of Christ 🙏

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