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The isles of great britain and ireland wrote:

Got a leaflet today from my local Conservative candidate telling me how I can stop another divisive independence referendum.

It duly went in the recycle bin.

Nice, also for your information, here in Bavaria we support your independence movement no matter if right or left wing. And if your Scottish Conservatives are worried about no longer having a Monarchy, the duke of Bavaria (and thus the house of Wittelsbach) are considered the rightful heirs to the throne through their direct lineage with the house of Stuart. Max-Emanuel Ludwig Maria Herzog is the current Jacobite heir to the throne, with his older brother Franz, the self-styled Duke of Bavaria (doesn't really have power but attends political even and the minister president of Bavaria referred to him as "your majesty" on the anniversary of the end of the monarchy in Bavaria, though they never really gave up the crown officially), unmarried and childless.

They are decent people though, if you can go by the fact that they were persecuted by the nazis and kept Bavaria independent, relatively peaceful, relatively wealthy and without major uprisings for like 700 years all the way until the end of WW1 (even within the German empire they managed to secure special freedoms for Bavaria). And they did not support the nazis, unlike the Hohenzollern..

I love how the top player for income equality's economy has just completely imploded, while the top player for wealth gaps is ranked #13 for economy

New vedan wrote:

You know despite coming from a country that was created by a Republican rebellion against the king I've always liked monarchy. Theres something timeless about it. Most nations monarchs are apart of a tradition dating back centuries and are stepped in tradition. It would be a real shame for any nation that has something like that to throw it all away in the name of "modernization" or "democracy". I mean it's not like any European monarch aside from the prince of Lichenstien has any real political power these days. I know theres no chance of a monarchy working out here, our founding myth is extremely republican. But I sure would like to see the monarchy restored in countries that traditionally have had them.

A recent scandal has broken out in the UK concerning the political power of the Queen and her son Prince Charles. For decades we were told the Queen had no power, that she was ceremonial. It turns out that ever since she took the throne, she has been able to exempt herself from various legislation to protect the financial interests of herself and her family.

I loathe monarchy in all its forms. Even if the Crown had no power, I do not believe one individual or their family should be elevated above society because of their birth, and be given a lavish lifestyle at taxpayer expense.

The tradition argument doesn't cut it. Many other things used to be traditional but we got rid of them. Slavery, child marriage, preventing women from voting. Monarchs are simply the descendents of the strongest bullies from history. Those who were able to kill their enemies and exploit the masses.

But I realise that as a republican in the UK, I'm in the minority. The only real prospect of abolishing the monarchy in Scotland is to achieve independence. Even then, I think Scots would narrowly favour keeping the monarchy after independence, at least for a little while.

Does not matter the form of government. It is all the same. It is all about who controls the wealth. Rest is all a distraction to keep people in line.

At the FHHHS, it matters not who controls the wealth. It will end up departed either way. Either that or I'll collect it as shrine donations. Unlikely, but a silver lining at least.

The isles of great britain and ireland wrote:

The lightning bolt was used by the British Union of Fascists, a short-lived Nazi-aligned party that existed in the run up to and during WW2.

Fun fact: the son of their leader became a famous, founding member of multiple car racing societies and organizations.

The isles of great britain and ireland wrote:

A recent scandal has broken out in the UK concerning the political power of the Queen and her son Prince Charles. For decades we were told the Queen had no power, that she was ceremonial. It turns out that ever since she took the throne, she has been able to exempt herself from various legislation to protect the financial interests of herself and her family.

I loathe monarchy in all its forms. Even if the Crown had no power, I do not believe one individual or their family should be elevated above society because of their birth, and be given a lavish lifestyle at taxpayer expense.

The tradition argument doesn't cut it. Many other things used to be traditional but we got rid of them. Slavery, child marriage, preventing women from voting. Monarchs are simply the descendents of the strongest bullies from history. Those who were able to kill their enemies and exploit the masses.

But I realise that as a republican in the UK, I'm in the minority. The only real prospect of abolishing the monarchy in Scotland is to achieve independence. Even then, I think Scots would narrowly favour keeping the monarchy after independence, at least for a little while.

Eh, I cant see how the queen is worse than any other billionaire. The rich already use there wealth to influnce the government into doing what they want it to do. The 1% might as well be royalty.

The isles of great britain and ireland wrote:

Thank you for your support, we appreciate it! I'm a republican though so I don't want any monarchy in an independent Scotland. Do you support Bavarian independence?

I do sort of, but it should be part of the EU. It's landlocked so we would be f*cked otherwise. I also wouldn't mind a monarch at all but with no actual power and mainly for ceremonial purposes. And they did do a decent job compared to many other houses so I see no real reason in punishing them by stripping them of land and title. And they are also one of the last things that connect Modern Europe to Charlemagne, their lineage is basically living history and I think it deserves to be preserved when most others have perished and were lost or wiped out entirely. Plus without them there would be no Oktoberfest and many other traditions.

And to come back to Bavarian independence. While we Bavarians always kinda kept to ourselves we also were very active in trade. Even today we often go a different direction of the rest of Germany goes. We even have our own trade agreements. Our minister president (the leading figure in Bavaria) often meets with the rulers of different nations, like Vladimir Putin or Viktor Orban. Economically speaking we are very strong and every year pay about 5 billion € every year to the "state financial equalisation" which is more than any other state (followed by Baden-Württemberg with 2 to 3 billion € per year). And with the infrastructure and relations we have in place independence would be great opportunity for us as we are literally the center of the EU (no really, the geographic center of the EU is in Bavaria, even after Brexit). However its also risky as it is a very real possibility that we wouldn't be let into the EU because Germany would be kinda pissed at us for leaving Germany, in which case we would be basically f*cked unless we joined Austria or something.

The isles of great britain and ireland wrote:

The tradition argument doesn't cut it. Many other things used to be traditional but we got rid of them. Slavery, child marriage, preventing women from voting. Monarchs are simply the descendents of the strongest bullies from history. Those who were able to kill their enemies and exploit the masses.

Slavery was never a tradition to begin with. Child marriage wasn't really a tradition itself either, I could go into detail about that but it would be too long for this single message. And there so many myths floating around about the medieval ages that make them seem way worse than they actually were, for the most part at least, I wouldn't have wanna lived in medieval cities... That being said I also hate the majority of modern big cities and consider them to be outright disgusting (again, most, but not all). 200 (not 200.000, just 200) to 300.000 population gang FOR LIFE.

So, not to blow my own trumpet or anything but I think my nation is pretty great (apart from the slavery, trying to cancel that as soon as possible). Probably the best nation in the game. So why am I not at the number one spot eh? Why am I slap bang in the middle? What parameters define the ‘best nation’ anyway?

The isles of great britain and ireland wrote:

The lightning bolt was used by the British Union of Fascists, a short-lived Nazi-aligned party that existed in the run up to and during WW2.

So then not the Union Jack and not representing the Uk as a fascist country.

Hraban wrote:

Nice, also for your information, here in Bavaria we support your independence movement no matter if right or left wing. And if your Scottish Conservatives are worried about no longer having a Monarchy, the duke of Bavaria (and thus the house of Wittelsbach) are considered the rightful heirs to the throne through their direct lineage with the house of Stuart. Max-Emanuel Ludwig Maria Herzog is the current Jacobite heir to the throne, with his older brother Franz, the self-styled Duke of Bavaria (doesn't really have power but attends political even and the minister president of Bavaria referred to him as "your majesty" on the anniversary of the end of the monarchy in Bavaria, though they never really gave up the crown officially), unmarried and childless.

They are decent people though, if you can go by the fact that they were persecuted by the nazis and kept Bavaria independent, relatively peaceful, relatively wealthy and without major uprisings for like 700 years all the way until the end of WW1 (even within the German empire they managed to secure special freedoms for Bavaria). And they did not support the nazis, unlike the Hohenzollern..

We don’t want your Bavarian reject, I’ll take a descendant of some Stuart’s b a s t a r d child over a foreign monarch thanks very much.

We already voted not the hand ourselves over as a vassal to Brussels. You don’t live here and you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about.