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Damn separatist scum!
Not my monarchy! My true monarch is some Jimmy in paisley whose descended from a real b a s t a r d of a proper Stuart.
I have no love for the monarchy but I do love the United Kingdom. Every since the civil war these two things have not been mutually exclusive.
I am Scottish. I will vote in the election. Scotland voted to stay in the UK but democracy is not one vote binds us all forever. We will have a referendum. You're free to vote no.
What the hell does "please don't vote if you're not from here" mean? What kinds fascist BS is that? If you live in Scotland you have the right to vote on its future, no matter where you're from.
Charming sentiment. You're really going to win people over to the union with remarks like that.
Also, a Brexiter calling someone else a separatist is hilarious. You don't want to be a "vassal" to Brussels but are perfectly happy being a vassal to London. Does being told what to do by big Boris make you feel all warm, fuzzy and British inside?
I know this isn't my fight, but if scotland separated then wouldent you just be trading Boris Johnson and London for Nicola Sturgeon and Edinburgh? Your still always going to have someone telling you what to do. Government is a necessary evil after all.
Tubby scratches His head. Is this a compliment to His Rotundity or not?
Yes, that's the whole point. I want to be governed by a government I elect, not by one the bigger country next door elects.
"God be with you, land of the Bavarians, German soil, fatherland!
Over your wide shires rest His blessing hand!
May He protect your meadows, shield the structures of your towns
and preserve you the colours of His sky, white and blue!
God be with you, people of Bavaria, that we, worthy of our fathers,
firm in harmony and peace, may build our fortune's hearth!
That everyone may see us one with Germany's brother tribes,
And the old splendour stands the test, our Banner, white and blue!"
I like our anthem, it shows our spirit. We want to preserve peace and go hand in hand with our brothers but we also want to forge our own fates and maintain a level of independence which currently we don't have.
A bit too religious for my liking. Then again I think national anthems are cringe in general.
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Still better than "God save the *insert monarch*". And the religious part makes somewhat sense in Bavaria. In public offices crosses are mandatory. Our oldest beer brewery is still, to this day, run by Christian monks. Our leading party is the Christian Social Union and gaining in the polls. Religion Class is mandatory in school (you can opt out and go into secular ethics class though). Most of our mountains have one or more christian statues on them (like shrines and stuff). And yet we have some of the best universities in Germany and the main reason why almost non pop up in rankings is because of how research and our education system function (this goes for all of Germany).
Also some info about Secularism German style: Leading party literally has "Christian" in it's name.
The Church receives yearly payments from the state due to a 200 year old agreement (in 2020 alone it received 570 million euros).
The church receives it's own tax money.
Public Holidays are almost always based around the Church Calendar (varies by region though).
Everything is closed on Sunday because of Christianity.
The church owns A LOT of property, land, stocks and even breweries for beer and sh*t.
A lot of our charity is from the church and it runs schools, nurseries and hospitals too.
In many schools the majority of students attend either Catholic or Protestant religion classes, in state-run schools you opt out though (except in my state, in Bavaria religion classes are mandatory (or at least ethics class)).
The church is exempt from certain labour laws.
Institutions that are entirely funded by tax payers money but are run by the church can require you to be Christian and forbid you from going on strike.
Catholic hospitals can ban their staff from even giving you information about abortion (or even the morning-after pill).
The Church is the second largest employer in Germany (so it can be rather important to be Christian in Germany if you want to work in medicine or education for example).
Oh and church tax, the state collects it, the church gets it.
Wow. Not gonna lie my dude but this makes Bavaria sound awful. Its like some weird medieval state where the church still rules and has all these privileges. That's gross.
Religion other than Tubbianity is yucky
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Not just the church receives taxes though, all religions are entitled to collect taxes from its members. Plus the church gotta maintain well, you know, these centuries old churches and the Vatican is constantly fighting with the German branch of the church so I can imagine the vatican not giving out that much money to the German church. In all honesty most of the time our state influences the German churches (Lutheran and Catholic) more than the other way around. Ever since Charlemagne the governments of the German lands have been in a tug of war with Church for influence. A good example of that is the Teutonic Order, starting as an Order of Crusaders they returned to Germany and spread the Empire along the Baltic Coast officially to spread Christianity but within short time they instead created a powerful trade nation.
Unlike in Bavaria where the Monarchs actually constructed a bridge near a monastery in order to control the trade of salt. Later at that location a town formed due the accommodation provided by the monastery (monastery often gave shelter and food to travellers regardless of status or rank) and now it's our capital.
Plus, which decent patriot only talks about the good parts of his fatherland?
And church isn't all bad, it also does most of the charity work around here (non-profit), more than any left wing organisation that I know off in my state and has been doing so for a very long time. Its not like they just sit on the money and enrich themselves (most of them don't at least, corruption will always exist within any institution or organisation, no matter the alignment or ideology).
And as for religion itself, I see it as a good concept, it gives people hope and direction if done right. And oh boy, Christianity is far away from being perfect.
That's also not our only part that has routes in medieval times, our entire system of vocational training (basically master and apprentice at the actual job with some theory done in vocational schools from time to time) has it's routes in medieval times and allows us to produce world renowned skilled workers without going to college.
Or the principle of the "honourable merchant" which has been largely abandoned by most other nations...
(all of this is basically universal across Germany)
The difference is that some people, maybe even most people, do identify as British. That's nothing to sneer at. Almost nobody could identify as European. Nobody was interested in a political union with Europe; the people were never consulted about that specifically because the government which signed up to it knew the country didn't want it. I think most people in Britain couldn't even tell you who the European president was or describe the political structure of the EU before that referendum. That's why the remain campaign had to lean so heavily on economic arguments and that's why they lost.
Whether you'd rather identify as Scottish and be governed alone by Scotland is your own choice. But for what it's worth, Scotland is actually statistically over-represented in Westminster. A vote there typically counts for more in parliament than a vote in England. Scotland used to play a decisive role in many of the UK's elections, with the Conservative and Labour parties working particularly hard to gain seats there and elections often being called by Scottish results. The only reason this is no longer the case is because Labour has declined and those seats have started going to the SNP instead, a regional party that could never command Westminster alone. Your own independence movement has robbed you of the chance to choose who governs the UK.
Scottish votes have only influenced the outcome of a handful of elections in history. I always hear we're over represented yet the parliament is dominated by English MPs. We'll never have any power because we will always be a minority in the UK and parliament. Perhaps some Scots are content to play second fiddle but I'm not. And I refuse to choose between 2 parties I loathe (Labour and Tory). FPTP is a crap system and makes for a shoddy limited democracy.
I am British legally and geographically but I've never identified as such because I feel no affinity for Britain or Britishness.
In the seven elections between 1945 and 1966, there were three where the Scottish voted differently to the English and got their own way. The Scottish didn't get a government they hadn't voted for until 1970. What had changed? It's simple. That's the election where the SNP first became a real political force, with their voteshare more than doubling from 5% to 11.4%. It hasn't dipped below that since and consequently Scotland has lost the control it had in Westminster. The SNP is the main reason Scotland gets saddled with governments chosen by England, so it's a poor argument in favour of their cause.
Representation isn't about having more MPs, it's about having a proportional number of them. Scotland gets a greater proportion of MPs in parliament than it has people in the overall population, whereas England has a smaller proportion.
It's hard to get statistics for the number of people who identify as British to some extent-the categories tend to be "British/British and other equally/other".
Even if that's all true, I'm committed to independence. I believe in it strongly and I do not believe the union works for me or Scotland anymore. I want a second referendum. If we lose again, I'll continue to believe in and argue for indy, as is my right. But if we leave, you should be happy about it since us Jocks won't get representation you believe we're not entitled to.
Obviously Scots have a right to self-determination and cultural identification is as good a justification as any for it. I don't think there're many in England who believe that we'd be better off without you, I just can't see any truth in the idea that Scotland has been treated unfairly within the union.
We'd spend all night arguing over whether or not Scotland has been treated unfairly and never reach common ground so no point getting into that.
As for England being better off without Scotland in the UK, all I hear from many English people I encounter online is how Scots are a bunch of whining subsidy junkies who they are sick of paying for and how we'd crash and burn outside the UK.
Curiously many of these same people get very indignant about the idea of us leaving or having another referendum, as if they somehow own Scotland.
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