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Drasnia wrote:Do mangroves even have gender?

Excoecaria (the dominant mangrove genus in the “old world”) do:

“Male and female flowers are present on separate trees and inflorescence is spike. Male spike is catkin like in appearance, yellowish and up to 7 cm long. Female spike is shorter than male spike.”

Source: Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations
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Ransium is a NS legend and I will deeply miss his delegacy. That being said, I know that Ruinenlust is prepared for the job and will treat the position with dignity as well as enthusiasm. He is definitely a worthy successor and I hope that he retains the position for a while!

While I am relatively new to Forest and this gamas a whole, from the little I have seen/heard of Ransium they seem to be an amazing person and citizen of Forest. I did not really get to know them, but I am still saddened by this. However, I fully support Ruinenlust in this new endeavor, and I trust that they will do great. I have worked with them as Senior Ambassador, and while I am sad too that they will be moving on from Foreign Minister, I am excited for this new chapter in Forest.

As Drasnia summed up, it is a bittersweet moment, kind of like your favorite icon moving on to a new endeavor, like an end of an era. You know there are more good things to come, but you are still saddened that the current state of things is coming to an end. I guess this also kind of sums up 2020 too!

Middle Barael wrote:While I am relatively new to Forest and this gamas a whole, from the little I have seen/heard of Ransium they seem to be an amazing person and citizen of Forest. I did not really get to know them, but I am still saddened by this. However, I fully support Ruinenlust in this new endeavor, and I trust that they will do great. I have worked with them as Senior Ambassador, and while I am sad too that they will be moving on from Foreign Minister, I am excited for this new chapter in Forest.

As Drasnia summed up, it is a bittersweet moment, kind of like your favorite icon moving on to a new endeavor, like an end of an era. You know there are more good things to come, but you are still saddened that the current state of things is coming to an end. I guess this also kind of sums up 2020 too!

Let’s keep things reasonable. I’m more than happy being thought of as a fairly okay person, amazing is a lot of pressure!

Ruinenlust, you have some pretty big holes to fill in after Ransium's roots. Congrats to both.

Congratulations Ruinenlust, I wish you success in your new job.
To Ransium, congratulations on upcoming parenthood. Get sleep were you can. You are going to need it.

I am ashamed to announce that I accidentally abandoned my ambassadorial presence in Evergreen Conifer. I figured that I would move Forest Breeze to the NWI in preparation to fill the ambassadorship there (I believe that it is reasonable to assume that the embassy vote is going to pass). I can post on the Conifer Discord server until we close up that embassy. I say that a password-protected region having only a founder and a single other nation is clearly an embassy to formally close (especially since I have been told that it is a dead region)!

EDIT: I believe that I may have determined why the embassy with Force has stalled:
"Following Sir Lashnakia's intent to resign from his post to focus more on his education, you can now

Apply to potentially become the next Minister of Foreign Affairs, found below:

https://forcens.com/index.php?topic=539.0"

Turbeaux wrote:Excoecaria (the dominant mangrove genus in the “old world”) do:

“Male and female flowers are present on separate trees and inflorescence is spike. Male spike is catkin like in appearance, yellowish and up to 7 cm long. Female spike is shorter than male spike.”

Source: Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations

It pleases me that, amidst all of this discussion, I could still learn something new about trees.

Ransium wrote:Let’s keep things reasonable. I’m more than happy being thought of as a fairly okay person, amazing is a lot of pressure!

I always said, 'that Ransium, he's a fairly okay person.'

Allemeine II wrote:Congratulations Ruinenlust, I wish you success in your new job.
To Ransium, congratulations on upcoming parenthood. Get sleep were you can. You are going to need it.

You’re about 6 weeks late.

8 hours ago: The The Rewilding of Ruinenlust replaced The United Mangrove Archipelago of Ransium as WA Delegate.

I'd like to express my heartiest congratulations to our new WA Delegate Ruinenlust and thank Ransium profusely for his contribution to Forest during his tenure as our WA Delegate. :)

Northern Wood wrote:It pleases me that, amidst all of this discussion, I could still learn something new about trees.

There's always something new to learn about trees :)

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Wow! Thank you, everyone, for the words of kindness and of encouragement! It means a great deal. I would not have been here so long if it were not for the disposition, quality, and caliber of the wonderful people who are here. There are so many great individuals, and it's a little overwhelming to think of coming directly after someone like Ransium, who is absolutely legendary.

I'm also very sad to see Ransium go, I must admit. There's absolutely no denying that this is the end of the age, so to speak. There's no replicating that kind of dedication and timelessness, to say nothing of the overall service to the region. And there's also no replicating or truly "following" Ransium.

Lousykitty wrote:Forest without Ransium is gonna be like a tree without the tree. Hard to imagine who can step in to replace a delegate that's served for 13 years.

I can't, for one. But I could get you some catnip if you wanted...

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Ruinenlust wrote:

I can't, for one. But I could get you some catnip if you wanted...

This is discrimination of the highest order. Our Leader For Life Hallowed Be Her Name Mother's Baby would never accept something so beneath her from a human nation. She would gladly take it under the table, however.

Lord Dominator wrote:I'd make a great delegate! :(

You are quite literally known for being the exact opposite of what Forest stands for. I guess I can't complain since I do the same thing, though.

Wernher Magnus Maximilian Von Braun wrote:8 hours ago: The The Rewilding of Ruinenlust replaced The United Mangrove Archipelago of Ransium as WA Delegate.

I'd like to express my heartiest congratulations to our new WA Delegate Ruinenlust and thank Ransium profusely for his contribution to Forest during his tenure as our WA Delegate. :)

There's always something new to learn about trees :)

This is Forest so of course you are going to learn about trees!

Ruinenlust wrote:I don't really see a way to do this, constitutionally speaking (unless I'm not thinking of something). Despite its nonstandard "purpose" as a region, it's still much less than six months old, and only has one nation. We don't have a mechanism for requesting embassies from such a region, given the wording of Article 6.1: "Regions must have at least six WA nations in residence, and must have existed for at least six months, to be eligible for an embassy with Forest." And in any event, we have no mechanism for bypassing a vote of the native resident population, either.

In retrospect, it certainly would have made sense to have a clause to the effect that "temporary embassies" could be voted on (or simply executed), and that they would automatically be closed after, say, 30 days or whatever. But unless I'm missing something, I don't think that there is an avenue for doing it. :-(

I looked at the constitution and I think there is a way for us to request an embassy with a region that fails the requirements of Clause 6.1:

"6.2 - The Forest Keeper (possibly through the request of a Regional Officer) may decide to request embassies with other regions. If the region meets the 6 WA nation and older than 6 months requirements it will be voted on as described in Clause 6.4. Otherwise it will be voted on as described in Clause 6.5."

This suggests to me that we can request the embassy but it requires a 2/3 majority rather than a simple majority to pass.
EDIT: Maybe Clause 6.1 only affects embassies other regions have requested from us?
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Also, dang. End of an era, truly. Ransium has been delegate for more than half of my IRL life, and I only ever witnessed the tail end of his reign here on NS. Not much else for me to say that hasn't been said by others, I just wanted to say thanks for being such a dedicated delegate, and good luck to our new one, Ruinenlust!

Lura wrote:I looked at the constitution and I think there is a way for us to request an embassy with a region that fails the requirements of Clause 6.1:

"6.2 - The Forest Keeper (possibly through the request of a Regional Officer) may decide to request embassies with other regions. If the region meets the 6 WA nation and older than 6 months requirements it will be voted on as described in Clause 6.4. Otherwise it will be voted on as described in Clause 6.5."

This suggests to me that we can request the embassy but it requires a 2/3 majority rather than a simple majority to pass.
EDIT: Maybe Clause 6.1 only affects embassies other regions have requested from us?
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Also, dang. End of an era, truly. Ransium has been delegate for more than half of my IRL life, and I only ever witnessed the tail end of his reign here on NS. Not much else for me to say that hasn't been said by others, I just wanted to say thanks for being such a dedicated delegate, and good luck to our new one, Ruinenlust!

FWIW, your interpretation matches my intent when I wrote the bolded statement.

Lura wrote:I looked at the constitution and I think there is a way for us to request an embassy with a region that fails the requirements of Clause 6.1:

"6.2 - The Forest Keeper (possibly through the request of a Regional Officer) may decide to request embassies with other regions. If the region meets the 6 WA nation and older than 6 months requirements it will be voted on as described in Clause 6.4. Otherwise it will be voted on as described in Clause 6.5."

This suggests to me that we can request the embassy but it requires a 2/3 majority rather than a simple majority to pass.
EDIT: Maybe Clause 6.1 only affects embassies other regions have requested from us?

Yes, I went back and checked, and this seems to be a workable avenue.

Would it be possible to get a request sent out and a poll opened up for The Potato Alliance once the current poll is finished? The purpose of the region is to give out updates for those of us who want to participate but, for whatever technical reason, are unable to access Discord.

That does look like a way to make the temporary N-Day embassy work.

When the present vote ends, I will formally make the request so that we can vote it in for the duration of the event.

Lura wrote:"6.2 - The Forest Keeper (possibly through the request of a Regional Officer) may decide to request embassies with other regions. If the region meets the 6 WA nation and older than 6 months requirements it will be voted on as described in Clause 6.4. Otherwise it will be voted on as described in Clause 6.5."

Wait, I'm confused, where do you find the link to the document with this quote? The Constitution in the WFE states "6.2 To establish embassies with Forest, eligible prospective regions must formally request embassies in game, and also send a telegram of intent to either the designated foreign minister or the Forest Keeper." Is there a more up-to-date version somewhere else?

Edit: OK, I see Ransium and Mount Seymour have different versions posted. Which version were we considering the most up-to-date? I had not been very active around the time these changes were made, so I apologize.

Kawastyselir wrote:Wait, I'm confused, where do you find the link to the document with this quote? The Constitution in the WFE states "6.2 To establish embassies with Forest, eligible prospective regions must formally request embassies in game, and also send a telegram of intent to either the designated foreign minister or the Forest Keeper." Is there a more up-to-date version somewhere else?

Yikes, you're right. It looks like we unwittingly removed the ability for our government to call for votes on special-case regions in the most recent round of amendments!

Well, we still do have the ability to amend. Verdant Haven, I wonder if you'd be willing to call for the following addition as an amendment:

6.6 The Forest Keeper (possibly through the request of a Regional Officer) may call for the creation of embassies with regions that do not meet the criteria outlined in clause 6.1.

It's a brave new world now.

Congrats on becoming the delegate, Ruinenlust, and thank you so much for your service Ransium.

Kawastyselir wrote:Wait, I'm confused, where do you find the link to the document with this quote? The Constitution in the WFE states "6.2 To establish embassies with Forest, eligible prospective regions must formally request embassies in game, and also send a telegram of intent to either the designated foreign minister or the Forest Keeper." Is there a more up-to-date version somewhere else?

Edit: OK, I see Ransium and Mount Seymour have different versions posted. Which version were we considering the most up-to-date? I had not been very active around the time these changes were made, so I apologize.

Haha, thank you, Kawastyselir! I kept looking at Lura's quote, going back to the constitution, and kept feeling more and more confused. The one posted on the top of Forest's main page is the one, as recorded by Mount Seymour.

Mount Seymour wrote:Yikes, you're right. It looks like we unwittingly removed the ability for our government to call for votes on special-case regions in the most recent round of amendments!

Well, we still do have the ability to amend. Verdant Haven, I wonder if you'd be willing to call for the following addition as an amendment:

6.6 The Forest Keeper (possibly through the request of a Regional Officer) may call for the creation of embassies with regions that do not meet the criteria outlined in clause 6.1.

There should definitely be some kind of provision for these circumstances. I would suggest perhaps putting it under its own little 6.10 subsection, since it doesn't really fit into any other section. It might also be good if it clarified that such embassies were not an "executive order" workaround for getting a vote, and so any such embassies would either automatically come up for a confirmation vote some time after the fact, or else they would be closed after the event or after a period of time. Maybe something like:

"6.10. The Forest Keeper may call for the creation of special, temporary embassies with a region that doe not meet the eligibility requirements of 6.1, especially for the purposes of participation in games or other interregional events. Such embassies must either be closed after serving the purpose for which they were created, or else must be permanently confirmed by a regular creation vote as detailed in 6.7."

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Also, thank you to Lura, Sacara, and Chan island for your support! :-)

Ruinenlust wrote:Haha, thank you, Kawastyselir! I kept looking at Lura's quote, going back to the constitution, and kept feeling more and more confused. The one posted on the top of Forest's main page is the one, as recorded by Mount Seymour.

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Also, thank you to Lura, Sacara, and Chan island for your support! :-)

I see now why mine differs. I accessed the constitution from the 'Forest Directory', which links to Ransium's constitution. I was actually looking for what responsibilities the Regional Officers have, but the link for that in the directory is broken because the dispatch no longer exists. I wonder if maybe that dispatch should be updated then...

Also, no problem! Because I was looking for something else, I only took a quick look as a tangent. Too bad that I couldn't help after all, but oh well.

Lura wrote:I see now why mine differs. I accessed the constitution from the 'Forest Directory', which links to Ransium's constitution. I was actually looking for what responsibilities the Regional Officers have, but the link for that in the directory is broken because the dispatch no longer exists. I wonder if maybe that dispatch should be updated then...

Yeah, my bad. I keep meaning to ask Mount Seymour to update it as there are a few links in there that lead to old places.

Greetings all member Nations,

we at Feladria are rather secluded and rarely comment on the current events on region board.
However for such a occurrence we are obliged to say a few words.

We thank you Ransium for all years of your hardy service. You have been and still are in the minds of all Feladrians as a Mentor, a person we look up to. A Guide, person we would follow despite the hardships. And least but not last, a Friend, person who we would stand for and person who would stand for us. We dare to say we were not the only nation to think that.
May you walk with the spirits as your days of just repose are here.

A toast to newly appointed Ruinenlust.
We greet you with open arms offering one as a sign of friendship. Boots to fill are not the smallest but we have faith in your steps. Shall the need arise Feladrians will be there when the path gets rough; a brief word to us and we will be ready. The only thing one must sometimes overcome when asking for help is its own shame; for asking for help is no shame in the eyes of just and fair.
May your path be enlightened by the spirits for the years to come.

Wishing Forest the best
Feladria

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