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Great report! I'm a bit embarrassed to be on the wrong end of the spectrum here at 2.5 earths to sustain my lifestyle, but I think the driver behind my rather unappealing score is the excessive amount of flying I've done over the past year.
Kawastyselir, Atsvea, Ruinenlust, Lord Dominator, and 2 othersTurbeaux, and Middle Barael
Does anyone want to join this?
Note this is a Pantheon only for the People of the Nation of Saint Cinder, gods and deities might vary elsewhere
Saint Cinder: God of Fire all around the best God, any who oppose that statement. I'm coming for you.
Six-meter-radius biscuit: The God of the Aumeltopia Nation. The God of smelly foods that taste nice.
Benneth Lolimel Dennant: the God of the Western fardelshufflestein Nation. A ranting lunatic he is the god of literature because who really writes books that are sane?
Choi Yerim: The Goddess of the 073 039 109 032 080 111 112 112 121 Nation. Goddess of K-Pop. Don't tell anyone about J-pop....
Atago Chan and Yudachi Chan: Twin Goddess of the Kerlodia Nation. Goddess of warships. Which reminds me of another game world of...
Lord Ădŕmrětsk The Lorde of the steppe from the Pakitsk Nation. The God of grass and hordes. More bloodthirsty then you would originally believe!
The Lord Emperor: God of the The Tecorogan Federation Nation. God of law, justice, order, protector of lions.
The Goddess of Anime maids: Goddess of the Anime maids Nation. Goddess of the house, housekeeping and cleaniness.
Toy Figure Ingro-karelia: God of the Ingro-karelia Nation. God of warfare and Strategy games.
The Wooly Llama of Andrea 🦙: Totem of the Evinea peoples. Quite friendly but not rideable.
Murlonio: God of the Concrete Slab Nation. God of Concrete and Slabs.
Pinkus The Flamboyant: God of the Jodilee Nation. A Flamingo Pheonix spirit made entirely out of pink fire. God of Pink Fire, eating shrimp and animal reincarnations.
A Solid God Top hat: God Of Centralist Brexit Nation. This is the hat of the God of PG tips. He represents the best cup of tea. Very Fancy, Very spiffing!
The Great Dialga: God of the Pokemon waifus Nation. God of pressure and pokémon. Que Queen music!
The Pink Sheep: God of the Kooplaland Nation. God of Planetary Pinball and Force Fields. Really if you see a Pink sheep in space you should be questioning your sanity
Thura: The Great God of the Shangyuen Nation. Found on a holy crusade but made manifest by the might of Shangyuen! God of the shifting Sands.
The Chinese Eggman The religion of the The second qing dynasty Nation. The Supreme Egghead is the leader of the Church of Piaopiao. Piaopiaoism also states that every human is inherently good and therefore to achieve your inner nature you must be good.
God of Rrick Roll The God of the Kingdom Of Casetaria Nation. You know the rules and so do I! A full commitment's what I'm thinking of, and you wouldn't get this from any other god!
Ultheis: God of the Vyata Temor Nation. God of the sun and nice tans, but also blindness so that's not good. One must always wear sunglasses to approach his divinity!
Defimanim: God of the Unojo Nation. Called the One Of Justice. We hope he looks the other way when we commit tax fraud!
Venia: The Goddess of Vipiria Nation! The goddess kindness and love. People who worship her usually have to show a standard of perfection when it comes to kindness and sharing as well as promote friendship and peace. Ironic as it is Venia is the only morally good god we can find! So you better pray to her!
Lesser Gods:
Lord Bummington: The God of the Amerion Nation. God of being frankly a killjoy. Now slightly missing a head because someone won't give us a new statue
A disappointing gift receipt to Beepeeworld: The Totem that we are waiting for from Beepee Nation. Any day now... we hope...
Dr. Roland: The God of the Stollberg-Stolberg Nation. God of Fish, and things that smell fishy...
Trapinch: God of the Bulbasaur reichpact Nation. God of baby Flygons, and catching Pokémon!
Chipped and dusty frieze of the Dreamers: Relic of the Erinor Nation. God of Sharks. Because it is just as sharp as a shark tooth!
Guiness Beer: God of the Blah-blah Nation. God of Stouts. You thought it was a beer didn't you, uncultured heathens!
Trevmond Gardield: God of the Gladinia Nation. who is a human-cat hybrid God of cats, and food. Guaranteed to keep your lands without famine! As long as you treat him with the respect of a pampered God!
Hermanis: The godly personification of Hermes Express 123 Nation. God of war and wisdom.
The wandering-Lamborghini: The zooming God of The Wandering-Lamborghini Nation. God of cars (just not Fords) and Car Washes. You need a car Wandering-Lamborghini is the person for you!
Azrëal: The Mystic Cult of Order of the Saint Dumas. While worshippers of batman (terrible time mind you it's 2020), They are responsible for the holy warrior aspects of our Pantheon.
A big Jrug stick: Our representation of Jrug Nation. The perfect model/repesentation of the East Pacific.
The blood of itmankuptu the 1st: The Legendary First King of the The followers of the only true religion. A great Demi-god of extraordinary power we welcome the ancient tales of his past glory to fill our holy books!
Toaster Parkguin: God of the Proctethia Nation. An all powerful toaster that gives us buckets as well as toast. Which turns out to be surprisingly useful when paired together. Best not to ask how.
Wooden Totem of Sutarianesia: A protective totem from the Sutarianesia people. It will help us ward off the demons at night!
Winti: The supernatural beings of the Tussenland Federation. Personified supernatural beings are said to possession humans, switch off consciousness, reveal things concerning the past, present and future as well as cause and/or heal illnesses of a supernatural nature. Making them perfect for gambling.
Demigod's and champions:
Demigoddess Pokemon waifus: God Killer Champion of Dialga.
Restored Gods:
Marx: New God of the The republic oftexas and northern mexico Nation. Once was Our God of communism. But restored to glory, for the revolution will never die!
East Lodge herself: The petrifaction statue of East lodge. Goddess of cotton, candy, and foxes. Cute and cuddly until that moment she snaps... she will just you wait.. its going to happen
Aritzoskan Zanos Once was the God of Aritzoska Nation. We still whisper the God of folk tales and use post-it notes!
Retired Gods:
Pride Coconut: Once was the God of The mountainous badlands Nation. God of fine fabric and Fashion. we really didn't know what to do with it.
Keyunra the great Axolotl: Once was the God of the Lallanca Nation. The God of Compassion and Purity, we are now happily sanctioned to massacre small children now.
A scheming De Bello Aquilam: Living God of De bello aquilam Nation. God of Debauchery, Thievery, and Disorder. Really just blame him for your bad day!
Saint Projangebroek: God of the Projangebroek Nation. God of richness and of economy, all who worship him are blessed with avoiding crises. So do it or I'll make a crisis out of you!
Demigod's and champions now in valhalla:
Demigoddess Hecrein: Was the Champion of the Goddess of Anime maids, Hecrein was defeated by a giant evil fridge. We light the flames in remembrance.
Demigod A starfish spirit: Champion of the East Lodge. Starfish was last seen near Sandy Cheek's home during winter. we remember never to disturb a squirrel in her sleep.
Atsvea and Lord Dominator
I wish I shared your optimism!
Mount Seymour, Atsvea, Ruinenlust, Lord Dominator, and 3 othersTurbeaux, Eco-empire, and Middle Barael
Oops! I meant to send you in the information, but I didn't do it in time. Can we still give you our information and eventually be added to the dispatch? This is a cool thing!
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I quite agree with you, Ownzone. Trump may be the King of Fools, but it took a nation of fools to get him into power. I'd like to think--or at least hope--that most European countries would never be so dumb in their choice of leaders. Many of our problems are structural and are the result that the systems were created for an 18th century civilization that was a string of former colonies with a much, much smaller population, more primitive level of technology and societal interaction, and for a "nobody from nowhere" group of people, not the world's hegemon. The structures have been stretched, bloated, and twisted out of their original context, and our inability to reform and reorganize ourselves internally has led to many of the country's ailments.
One thing that I would note is that while the United States is one country, and so presents a monolithic edifice to the rest of the world, we are actually very diverse and varied within ourselves. In some ways, I feel like speaking of "the United States" is like trying to speak of "Europe" or "the Caribbean." It's obviously true that we are an integrated, massive country, but the situation across different states and regions within the US make for much more diversity and differences of opinion than might be obvious to outsiders. The history, culture, people, ideas, values, and ways of living are substantially different from, say, Alabama to Connecticut.
If the fifty states were independent countries (or perhaps a smaller number of regional countries, like New England, the Mid-Atlantic, the Midwest, etc.), it would quickly become apparent how difficult it is to comprehensively speak of "the United States." We are, after all, the bulk of the North American continent, and life is dramatically different from the hills of Massachusetts to the swamps of the Louisiana to the high prairies of South Dakota to the deserts of Arizona to the mountainous redoubts of Idaho. Then you have the massive differences between the cities, the smaller cities and towns, the sprawling cookie-cutter suburbs (a particular blight on the natural landscape and one of America's worst "inventions," but I digress), the rural farming communities, and the vast expanses of the continent that are virtually empty.
So you're entirely right, but my point is that the country is as varied as having gay marriage in Massachusetts in 2008, but only having formally struck the ban interracial marriage from the books in Alabama in 1993. That's why these big decisions and laws can have such a divisive impact on society. The world of Seattle and the world of Jackson, Mississippi might as well be the difference between the Amsterdam and Krakow.
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I think it would make for a cool book series or television show series to think of a scenario where different parts of the United States broke apart into different countries in most respects, and so were able to develop stronger regional identities. There would be a great divergence in the new countries' societies, I think. It would also be a good way to test which policies and ideas "worked better," and which ones led to stagnation, emigration, or outright decline.
But yeah... 'murica. *sigh*
Yes! I wouldn't have a problem with that. I had actually meant to post a reminder for everyone a few days ago, but I forgot as well. It's still the report of 2020, so if anyone wants to participate, let me know.
Could I also been in it? Apparently I am 2.6 earths, although many questions did not apply to me (especially the ones relating to driving; I don’t drive but others drive me around), and for many I did not know the answers. My ecological footprint in GHA was 4.5. My carbon footprint (CO2 emissions in tons per year) was 7.2, and my carbon footprint percentage (% of my total ecological footprint) was 55%.
In order to be more eco-friendly, I have mostly given up red meat (meaning no lamb or beef except for special occasion, which are rare, especially in quarantine). We’ve also been replacing our lights with LED and I’ve been showering on lower temperatures. Finally, we’ve decided that the next car my family will get will be either a hybrid or an electric, most likely either some hybrid Toyota or Honda, or the electric Hyundai Kona. And because of quarantine and remote learning, We’ve been driving less, although it’s started to pick up again now that quarantine is over.
Effazio, Kawastyselir, Atsvea, Ruinenlust, and 2 othersLord Dominator, and Turbeaux
So is that a real-life thing rather than a NationStates thing?
Mount Seymour, Atsvea, Ruinenlust, Lord Dominator, and 2 othersTurbeaux, and Middle Barael
Yes. Everything on our RMB is RW unless otherwise specified.
The dispatch they're talking about, I mean!
Mount Seymour, Atsvea, Ruinenlust, Lord Dominator, and 2 othersTurbeaux, and Middle Barael
Yes, it is!
Shalotte, Mount Seymour, Atsvea, Ruinenlust, and 2 othersLord Dominator, and Middle Barael
Oh.
I am glad you are not the President.
Drasnia, Atsvea, Ruinenlust, Lord Dominator, and 3 othersTurbeaux, Middle Barael, and The young ur
Yes, certainly. That's okay if some questions didn't apply to you or you had to guess. I think many of us had to guess for a couple of the questions. The purpose of the exercise is to really get us thinking about the kind of impact we have and those around us have on the environment. Thanks for participating, I'll add you in!
Yes, you should have gotten a telegram laying out how to participate. Let me know if you still want to.
Effazio, Mount Seymour, Gloriosya, Atsvea, and 4 othersRuinenlust, Lord Dominator, Turbeaux, and Middle Barael
Ruinenlust's footprint information:
Number of Earths = 3.0
Ecological Footprint = 5.2 gha
CO2 Emissions = 9.0 tonnes
% of CO2 = 60%
...it looks like I'm on the most destructive side of things in real life, as compared with some of our better individuals... Turbeaux, making us look bad. ;-)
I'm obliged to mention that Ruinenlust's lifestyle only requires 3 earths if the population remains the same. However, Ruinenlust, who speaks in the third person sometimes, has long ago decided to not have children, which severely limits his ecological footprint, namely to one lifetime, regardless of how that (hopefully) 70-80 years is lived. If Ruinenlust had even one child, that would probably double the figure, and if that child had children...
Population is the multiplier for whatever lifestyle one has, whether frugal or decadent, whether sustainable or not. And even the most sustainable of lifestyles becomes less so if it is multiplied out ad infinitum, since the planet is a stubbornly-finite little marble floating through the void.
Haha, so am I, for many reasons! What a disaster that would be. Never fear, the political life is not for me. The best things in life are to have some woods and a garden, along with a few other aspects. And this way, Bouvet can remain wild.
Effazio, Cameroi, Kawastyselir, Mount Seymour, and 8 othersOwnzone, Atsvea, Lord Dominator, Darths and Droids, Turbeaux, Eco-empire, I like fire, and Middle Barael
I am more boring than ultraenvironmentalistic. You have the right idea about reproduction. I might adopt but creating new children seems extraordinarily unethical in this day and age! Even if they matched my low-impact lifestyle, we only have one Earth not 1.7 or whatever I got.
I can stick with cats. They are less noisy than children and far cleaner than the really young ones. Also, they can be left alone for a couple of days without dying and/or using drugs in your bedroom. Additionally, if you spay and neuter they won't reproduce and create a potentially neverending family line that dirties our planet and sucks it's resources dry. I know that cats are a menace to wildlife but it is not difficult to keep them indoors (perhaps with some closely supervised leashed outdoor time).
Effazio, Kawastyselir, Mount Seymour, Ownzone, and 3 othersAtsvea, Ruinenlust, and Lord Dominator
That's a good point: adoption is a wonderful thing. I'm absolutely NEVER, EVER against currently-existing people. People are the best thing on the Earth, but I'm biased. It's just that it's possible to have too much of a good thing; even too much of the best thing. Overpopulation is like dieting: you don't have to burn off calories that you never consume to begin with, and you don't have to "figure out" what do to with people who never existed to begin with. And if there were a widespread movement to have zero children or one child, the potential adoptees would probably not have to sit in orphanages and other situations like that for very long, I hope.
Also "yes" to the cats!!! Cats are magic. Dogs are also magic. Animals are wonderful, in general. Except maybe some insects...
Effazio, Murmuria, Kawastyselir, Atsvea, and 3 othersLord Dominator, Turbeaux, and Middle Barael
Did someone already mention that we have an awesome Statistics Minister?
Cameroi, Kawastyselir, Gloriosya, Atsvea, and 7 othersRuinenlust, Lord Dominator, Turbeaux, Northern Wood, Lura, Eco-empire, and Middle Barael
You are, of course, quite correct. It was, and remains, horrendous. My original point being that gods are a reflection of the time and culture that produces them, but not necessarily to be admired in any way, though I did not expressly state that.
One of my favorite goddesses is Persephone. Like others she was raped, but is allowed out of Hades for much of the year. Likely three or four pomegranate seeds were her doom, but the number is variable in the myths. Hecate is another personal favorite.
Atsvea, Lord Dominator, and Turbeaux
While overpopulation is definitely worthy of concern, given birth rates are at or below replacement in most of the 'first world' it doesn't seem to be a huge issue at the moment. Perhaps the right solution is to work on getting the rest of the developing world educated and with proper medicine so their birthrates can taper off a bit also.
A larger impact can probably be made on all of our impact if we can push the corporations in charge of production to do so more sustainably. Beyond using more environmentally friendly packaging and production, another big impact source for us all is energy production. If companies swapped even just to nuclear rather than fossil fuels, our carbon footprint would be drastically reduced (with much less risk than is commonly associated with nuclear, and possibly less environmental impact than most renewables).
One last note on a personal level. Remember some of us are parents. While I acknowledge that children do inherently use more resources than empty space, unless you want the species to die out they are important also. I say this because I felt, albeit on a minor level, indirectly attacked and wanted to remind you all that this shouldn't ever just be an echo chamber, even inadvertently.
Murmuria, Kawastyselir, Atsvea, Ruinenlust, and 8 othersLord Dominator, Turbeaux, The void territories, Cat-herders united, Kinectia, Eco-empire, Middle Barael, and The young ur
This is partially why I am here, because I have always had someone to disagree and debate with, and it either show me where I am wrong, or increased the strength of my beliefs. This should not be an echo chamber, but I was afraid that despite Forest‘s good reputation, that it took me awhile to actually say my political opinions instead of just keeping them in the dark. One of the good things about Forest is that it is not on the right or the left, but on the side of knowledge and betterment of our understanding, and that should never change.
Mount Seymour, Atsvea, Ruinenlust, Lord Dominator, and 3 othersTurbeaux, Lura, and Middle Barael
it seems i am agressively average in this region XD
i try to be the most ecological i can, but i know that much of my footprint comes from how bad i eat, cause i significantly use much more public transport than most people and my house isnt that bad ecologically speaking
but i'm trying to eat less meat, for health and environmental purposes
Murmuria, Kawastyselir, Mount Seymour, Ownzone, and 8 othersAtsvea, Lord Dominator, Turbeaux, Novian Republics, Eco-empire, Girelna, Middle Barael, and Forestal
To further prove that we are not an echo chamber I must vehemently disagree. Downplaying the whole overpopulation issue as a species is in my opinion one if not the biggest error of our generation. Not only is every new person a new consumer adding to the demand of resources that the planet already cannot provide. Reducing overpopulation barring a new world war, a world wide disease or some major natural disaster(s) will also be the hardest one to accomplish because we would either have to tamper with one of the basic human rights or without governmental "guidance" it would require people to overwrite millennia of biological, cultural and religious programming.
Does this mean that everyone should stop having children.....no....but the idea that overall population growth will stop soon anyway or that we can accomplish the same thing without dealing with this subject is just wishful thinking. The UN's median projection for future population growth sees us hitting 10.9 bn by the end of the century, and it still hasn't plateaued at that point. Even at the lowest end of the 95% certainty projection, population doesn't hit maximum until near the end of the century - at nearly 10 billion people. We can make that figure lower and bring about the end of growth sooner - but only if we start taking this seriously and take the action needed, now!!
As Ruinenlust said this will however never be a popular opinion and no political party in a democratic country in its right mind will ever put this up for discussion but I don't like mollycoddling the situation that we are in. The point where you felt personally attacked is exactly the reason why this will always be a difficult subject to discuss because it deals with something that affects all of us on a personal level. Nonetheless....
"We are jeopardizing our future by not reining in our intense but geographically and demographically uneven material consumption and by not perceiving continued rapid population growth as a primary driver behind many ecological and even societal threats."
--World Scientists' Warning to Humanity: A Second Notice. *The Second Notice has more scientist co-signers (over 20.000 and counting) and formal supporters than any other journal article ever published.
Kawastyselir, Atsvea, Ruinenlust, Lord Dominator, and 6 othersTurbeaux, Outer Bele Levy Epies, Cat-herders united, Novian Republics, Eco-empire, and Girelna
To way in on this discussion of whether deciding not to have kids outweighs the problem of overpopulation, I honestly feel it depends on the wishes of the person, within reason. If one wishes to have kids, nothing should be barring them, and no one should be forcing them or guilt-tripping them into not having them. That being said, having kids for the sake of having kids should not happen, nor should people be having kids just to have a big family or to get the preferred gender. And as long as it matches with one’s moralistic and religious views, if one gets pregnant again but does not want any more kids, they should seek an abortion instead of doing nothing.
Kids are a wonderful thing, and I think that everyone has a right to them and a right to have their own biological kids, but you should have them because it is your dream to have kids, or because you want to have a child to make you laugh and happy, or because you want to have a “family” (as opposed to being single or a couple), not just for the sake of having kids.
In addition, while I respect religious traditions, I really don’t understand or agree with those dogmas and traditions which proscribe having large families, especially when those who follow those doctrines tend to be on the poorer side. While I am Jewish and I go to a modern-orthodox synagogue (although I myself am conservative) and I respect those who wish to have an ultra-orthodox way of life, I find it somewhat irresponsible when many of them go off and have so many children despite having a very niche, not so well paying job (many ultra-orthodox people work in the Judaica industries or in synagogues).
While I consider Harry and Meghan to be big hypocrites (Taking a private jet to a climate summit?!), I agree with their view in the issue: they wish to have kids, but they are being conscientious and limiting themselves to two, and they are going to teach their kids to be eco-friendly and passionate about the environment. This is the same model my parents took with me, and I hope to pass it down to my kids when I have them one day.
In closing, I certainly respect those who love being surrounded by family and children, and who wish to have them of their own. When I am older, I hope to have two kids of my own, so that I can have fun with them and guide them and have a familial life, like the household I come from. But you do not need to have many kids to do this, and so while you certainly can go ahead if you wish and have kids, you must remain cautious and conscientious of the amount of kids you are having and the resources they are using.
If you wish to have kids but you do not want to use many resources, have them grow up in an eco-friendly household and teach them not to overuse resources. In the end, the best thing we can do at the moment for the climate is to teach and encourage others to be more considerate of the energy and resources they take up, and encourage them to take a stand against the powers that seek to destroy our environment.
Murmuria, Kawastyselir, Gloriosya, Atsvea, and 5 othersRuinenlust, Lord Dominator, Turbeaux, Outer Bele Levy Epies, and Girelna
The problem with children is that they often end up living lifestyles/having values that are the polar opposites of their parents' because adolescence often prompts rebellion. I certainly did for a while! People should absolutely have the right to have children but it would be wonderful if just one became the norm among people who desire to reproduce! Unfortunately, the USA's government incentivizes having as many children as possible. I suspect that the same approach is utilized by many other governments across the world.
One area in which I have always bested my parents (who did not raise me to be extraordinarily environmentally conscious but always supported my interest in nature as well as unintentionally living a fairly low footprint lifestyle) is maintaining small housing and transportation footprints. However, living efficiently and avoiding use of motorized transportation whenever possible slashes expenses and that has been the primary driver for those lifestyle choices throughout my lifetime.
I am currently mainintaining a fairly small food footprint compared to them because they eat dairy and eggs. However, I started eating meat as a teenage rebellion thing and then met my meat-loving ex which caused my meat intake to get out of control. During an acid trip a few years ago I started to become disgusted about the animal product business. I could literally perceive the suffering when I had a slice of sausage pizza during the trip. Hearing animals screaming and tasting their pain definitely prompted a thorough evaluation of my lifestyle! For a while, I clung to hope that alternatives to animal suffering would come about structurally. Finally, I decided to take personal responsibility and cut animal products out of my diet 100% I did not require a transitional phase...animal products are not physically addictive drugs, so there is no inherent need to wean yourself off of them (I should note that I have developed quite a bit of discipline since I turned 30.).
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