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Aersoldorf wrote:I'd say it's more of a complete accident than anything done with intent and planning. I normally just pick issues that I think will get me closer to #1 in most devout or most primitive and everything else just sorts itself out in amusing ways. I personally find communism repulsive and can't even remember which issue pushed my nation over that brink. Also don't remember how I got a dictator for a leader but I'm afraid to try and fix anything for fear of messing with my other stats.

I can relate to that of pick issues that I think will get me closer to #1 for anything or for at least Patriotism and defense force :>

Rooseveltian-America wrote:So guys, I wanna ask a curious question, what do y'all think of Woodrow Wilson and his presidency? Do y'all think he was good? Or would you agree with me that he was terrible? I mean this from a hindsight view, of course, since nobody here was alive during his term.

first time hearing his name. (probably because am not American) but with my 30 seconds research, I have found that he was the American president during the Great war/WW1, as also a bit of the very awkward peace time between WW1 and WW2. sooo can't really say anything about em. :<

Rooseveltian-America wrote:So guys, I wanna ask a curious question, what do y'all think of Woodrow Wilson and his presidency? Do y'all think he was good? Or would you agree with me that he was terrible? I mean this from a hindsight view, of course, since nobody here was alive during his term.

I think Wilson wasn't a completely bad president, it just depends on how you view it and your personal political opinion. He was a key figure in creating a strong federal government and helped in the establishment of modern American liberalism, influencing future Democratic presidents like FDR. He also created things like the Federal Reserve System, antitrust laws, and also lowered tariffs. Wilson wanted to combat large-scale corporate power in favor of promoting business competition. He did, however, support racial segregation and opposed women's suffrage.

Whether you think any of that is bad or not is your opinion.

Ahh my nation still has a strong military

Havia Sysis wrote:Ahh my nation still has a strong military

heh me is 1/3th of your defense force :>

Manneo Varo wrote: He also created things like the Federal Reserve System

aka The Creature From Jekyll Island

Manneo Varo wrote: He did, however, support racial segregation and opposed women's suffrage.

It's really sad how many racist policies the Democrats have put in place over the years, and baffling how they're somehow viewed as the party that cares about ethnic minorities.

Aersoldorf wrote:It's really sad how many racist policies the Democrats have put in place over the years, and baffling how they're somehow viewed as the party that cares about ethnic minorities.

I mean, the politics of Democrats and Republicans have shifted significantly since WWI. Lincoln was a Republican in his time, and it was only starting from FDR that Democrats started being the "socially liberal" party as opposed to the more conservative Republicans. I could expand on that but why do so when the internet does it for me! https://www.studentsofhistory.com/ideologies-flip-Democratic-Republican-parties (I wish I knew how to use markdown properly...)

Rooseveltian-America wrote:So guys, I wanna ask a curious question, what do y'all think of Woodrow Wilson and his presidency? Do y'all think he was good? Or would you agree with me that he was terrible? I mean this from a hindsight view, of course, since nobody here was alive during his term.

I would say he's one of the worst presidents in the US, especially out of the relevant ones. Obviously everything he did wasn't bad though. This is from an outsider perspective too so take it as you want.

There is a new SC resolution at vote! Apologies for the delay!

Discussion: https://10000islands.proboards.com/thread/44927/vote-repeal-commend-small-island
Voting: https://10000islands.proboards.com/thread/44928/sc-repeal-commend-small-island

Rooseveltian-America wrote:So guys, I wanna ask a curious question, what do y'all think of Woodrow Wilson and his presidency? Do y'all think he was good? Or would you agree with me that he was terrible? I mean this from a hindsight view, of course, since nobody here was alive during his term.

Oh boy! A question I can definitely answer:

-Won the election on a fluke (42% popular vote)

-Believed in "Lost Cause Revisionism", which basically said that the south left over state's rights, not slavery, which is flat out wrong.
(this makes him an oxymoron as he was highly religious, his dad was a presbyterian minister)

-Enforced segregation in Federal buildings

-Fostered a second KKK revival based off of his "history credentials"

"The white man were roused by a mere instinct of self-preservation .... until at last there had sprung into existence a great Ku Klux Klan, a veritable empire of the South, to protect the Southern country." - Woodrow Wilson

-Soured relations with many developing nations because the were (enter anything that is not a white race here)

-Passed the Espionage and Sedition acts, which overwhelmingly violated free speech and the right to peaceful protest
(It pretty much went "You can't say anything bad about the USA. And if you do you must be a spy or something."

-Instituted "Wilsonian Interventionism", which basically meant that the USA could intervene and "liberate" nations because they were to underdeveloped to use concepts like Democracy (like the Banana Republics)

-Saw himself as a Jesus type figure, and wanted to pose the USA as the "morale city on a hill" to the rest of the world.

-Was always right about everything. For example, he seemed to know what was right for people who lived there, despite being an ocean away. ("Hey, I'm Japanese and I think I know more about my people than you do." - The Japanese guy. "No you don't." -Wilson.)

My conclusion is that he was not suppose to be allowed to rule the country to begin with.

Yeah Wilson was not a good guy, or a particularly good president. Heck, if it wasn't for WWI he'd probably be in the bottom 10 consistently in most rankings. But as far as foreign policy goes? Most US presidents are very controversial, especially from an outsider's perspective. Wilson, as mentioned, was all for intervening in underdeveloped countries in the name of neocolonialis- er, I mean, democracy. But Even Roosevelt intervened in the affairs of Latin American countries fairly often, notably (not like I'm biased on the subject, being a Colombian) forcing Colombia to give independence to Panama in order to build the Panama Canal, and making a deal with the new State keep the profits from the canal until the turn of the century.

So, Rooseveltian-America, to sum it up: No, Woodrow Wilson wasn't exactly a very good president.

South Orwelland wrote:Yeah Wilson was not a good guy, or a particularly good president. Heck, if it wasn't for WWI he'd probably be in the bottom 10 consistently in most rankings. But as far as foreign policy goes? Most US presidents are very controversial, especially from an outsider's perspective. Wilson, as mentioned, was all for intervening in underdeveloped countries in the name of neocolonialis- er, I mean, democracy. But Even Roosevelt intervened in the affairs of Latin American countries fairly often, notably (not like I'm biased on the subject, being a Colombian) forcing Colombia to give independence to Panama in order to build the Panama Canal, and making a deal with the new State keep the profits from the canal until the turn of the century.

I agree with that. Most of the presidents were products of their time, but Wilson definitely pioneered the way most presidents behaived in the interwar years, and to some extent into the 60s

Venvee Republic wrote:Oh boy! A question I can definitely answer:

-Won the election on a fluke (42% popular vote)

-Believed in "Lost Cause Revisionism", which basically said that the south left over state's rights, not slavery, which is flat out wrong.
(this makes him an oxymoron as he was highly religious, his dad was a presbyterian minister)

-Enforced segregation in Federal buildings

-Fostered a second KKK revival based off of his "history credentials" [spoiler=here is a quote]"The white man were roused by a mere instinct of self-preservation .... until at last there had sprung into existence a great Ku Klux Klan, a veritable empire of the South, to protect the Southern country." - Woodrow Wilson

-Soured relations with many developing nations because the were (enter anything that is not a white race here)

-Passed the Espionage and Sedition acts, which overwhelmingly violated free speech and the right to peaceful protest
(It pretty much went "You can't say anything bad about the USA. And if you do you must be a spy or something."

-Instituted "Wilsonian Interventionism", which basically meant that the USA could intervene and "liberate" nations because they were to underdeveloped to use concepts like Democracy (like the Banana Republics)

-Saw himself as a Jesus type figure, and wanted to pose the USA as the "morale city on a hill" to the rest of the world.

-Was always right about everything. For example, he seemed to know what was right for people who lived there, despite being an ocean away. ("Hey, I'm Japanese and I think I know more about my people than you do." - The Japanese guy. "No you don't." -Wilson.)

My conclusion is that he was not suppose to be allowed to rule the country to begin with.

Venvee Republic wrote:I agree with that. Most of the presidents were products of their time, but Wilson definitely pioneered the way most presidents behaived in the interwar years, and to some extent into the 60s

Manneo Varo wrote:So, Rooseveltian-America, to sum it up: No, Woodrow Wilson wasn't exactly a very good president.

South Orwelland wrote:Yeah Wilson was not a good guy, or a particularly good president. Heck, if it wasn't for WWI he'd probably be in the bottom 10 consistently in most rankings. But as far as foreign policy goes? Most US presidents are very controversial, especially from an outsider's perspective. Wilson, as mentioned, was all for intervening in underdeveloped countries in the name of neocolonialis- er, I mean, democracy. But Even Roosevelt intervened in the affairs of Latin American countries fairly often, notably (not like I'm biased on the subject, being a Colombian) forcing Colombia to give independence to Panama in order to build the Panama Canal, and making a deal with the new State keep the profits from the canal until the turn of the century.

Jontua wrote:I would say he's one of the worst presidents in the US, especially out of the relevant ones. Obviously everything he did wasn't bad though. This is from an outsider perspective too so take it as you want.

And we here in Bulgaria complain that Rumen Radev (Current Bulgarian president) is a bad president :< I guess he is not as bad as this dude. Jesus Christ mate!

Havia Sysis wrote:Ahh my nation still has a strong military

How much does your government spend on it.

Hey all, I heard an unsubstantiated rumor which I believe is 100% true that today is Wille-Harlia's 4th NS anniversary! Let's assume this wild speculation is absolute fact and congratulate them!

Allagashville wrote:How much does your government spend on it.

I believe my nation total expenditure on it is 27.3% of our GDP of 16.1%

Pantso wrote:Hey all, I heard an unsubstantiated rumor which I believe is 100% true that today is Wille-Harlia's 4th NS anniversary! Let's assume this wild speculation is absolute fact and congratulate them!

Well then, happy NS Anniversary, Wille-Harlie!

Havia Sysis wrote:I believe my nation total expenditure on it is 27.3% of our GDP of 16.1%

My nation spends 31% of its total expenditure on defense.

My nation doesn't spend on defense because the game doesn't think you can be a purely defensive liberal democracy sadly.

What do you guys think of this flag? Should I change it to my current one?

https://i.imgur.com/rfnNVZm.png

Allagashville wrote:My nation spends 31% of its total expenditure on defense.

mine is only 14.4

Manneo Varo wrote:What do you guys think of this flag? Should I change it to my current one?

https://i.imgur.com/rfnNVZm.png

It's an interesting design but the style of the graphic in the center doesn't seem to match the style of the design on the fringe

Pantso wrote:It's an interesting design but the style of the graphic in the center doesn't seem to match the style of the design on the fringe

I see it now, thanks. Do you think it would look better without the banner graphic?

Havia Sysis wrote:I believe my nation total expenditure on it is 27.3% of our GDP of 16.1%

Allagashville wrote:My nation spends 31% of its total expenditure on defense.

Mine is 10.6% or about 4.7 trillion USD
To reference that, the USA spends about 880 billion.

on an unrelated note, I am proud to say that I achieved a goal: My currency (VN) is now more valuable than USD, 1$ = .83 cents.

Manneo Varo wrote:I see it now, thanks. Do you think it would look better without the banner graphic?

I think it would be best if it could be made all the same style, but the main consideration is the style you're going for. The center design seems to have Celtic feel to me; the other seems more like a medieval French or Italian fleur-de-lys motif.

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