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yeah well i play fortnite so who cares
Ostrovskiy and The glorious state of corbyn
Hmmm....
The belacian states, Ostrovskiy, and Utrechtse gewest
exactly the moderators just sent me a telegram and i replied with i will not use the forums
Aussandries, Orennica, The belacian states, Ostrovskiy, and 1 otherUtrechtse gewest
I was picking fun at the fact that you are criticising the country for ruining all of our nice things, but for practically all of your life (and mine for that matter) one party has been in control, ruining all our nice things.
Orennica, The belacian states, Ostrovskiy, The glorious state of corbyn, and 1 otherUtrechtse gewest
are you rlly only 10? You're remarkably smart for your age
Orennica, The belacian states, Ostrovskiy, Utrechtse gewest, and 1 otherDada Sasa
cha cha slide moment
lmao technically this isn’t the forum tbf
Aussandries, Orennica, Ostrovskiy, and Utrechtse gewest
ey eye ey eye ey not my fault my brother is such a know it all
Aussandries, Orennica, and Utrechtse gewest
When I was growing up this country was in a decent state, it was from 2016 that everything started going downhill. I dislike quite a lot of the conservative party
Aussandries, The belacian states, and Ostrovskiy
it's kinda cute that you think that the country was fine before brexit. The UK was the best it's ever been when you were born (anywhere between 1991-2007 sorta), but that changed a hell of a lot after the Tories came in... I'll be the first to admit that Gordon Brown didn't handle the 2008 crash very well, but it was massively confounded by Cameron's Austerity measures. I get it, I used to think that Cameron was alright until I actually started studying him. He wasn't alright. Austerity was estimated by the BMJ (British Medical Journal, a peer reviewed paper created by doctors for doctors) to have caused 120,000 preventable deaths. Also, mean family income fell from 2010-2013 by about £3000per annum according to the National Institute of Statistics. It wasn't until 2018 that income would rise above the pre-2010 levels. Considering that inflation rose through this era (2010, 3.3%, 2011, 4.5%, 2012, 2.8% etc) the majority of the country got poorer.
To make matters worse, the reduction in public spending caused hospitals, roads, schools, and important infrastructure to decay throughout this period.
David Cameron's legacy in power was a country that got poorer, a nation that was crumbling around him, a divided party, and, of course, the Brexit Referendum. I'm not going to argue with the fact that things have gotten worse since then, but that does not mean that things were fine before. The Conservative party has mismanaged the country for 12 years now, and I think that perhaps you should consider why that is, ideologically.
Also, anyone who thinks that Conservative MPs being engrossed in scandals is somehow a new phenomenon should really take a moment to study history. This party is rotten to its very core, and they are not going to change.
Orennica, The belacian states, Ostrovskiy, and The glorious state of corbyn
I don't know much about the BMJ article quoted, but they obviously have a vested interest in suggesting they need more funding and higher pay, no matter the broader economic situation. Trying to count deaths is a pretty bad idea, it's really impossible. It's the same argument that happens with COVID lockdowns pros and cons. I don't know much about that, so I won't argue it though.
What did rise significantly in this time is employment, and according to Warwick University and the ONS so did life satisfaction (although I am generally against these sorts of very subjective measurements, and it's unclear what this is really linked to, but it certainly says that everyone didn't suddenly become miserable). We also had a strong and growing economy.
There are goods and bads in everything, and to suggest that the nation crumbled around Cameron is just very narrow.
I do think that it's disgraceful the amount of scandals tory MPs are involved with, but that's just politics. Labour has had scandals, the SNP are a scandal, and that other one who think they're relevant have scandals. Particularly in the period with Corbyn as leader (although I think only a year or two in the period we're talking about up to 2016), I was more concerned that the leader of the opposition had links to just about every terrorist group going.
Anyway, I am going to make a presentation for my politics class starting in sixth form about the China/Taiwan/Pelosi situation, if anyone here has some insightful ideas about it I'd be interested to hear them!
The belacian states and Ostrovskiy
Yet you don't understand that it's actually "maths", curious :P
Aussandries, Orennica, The belacian states, Ostrovskiy, and 1 otherUtrechtse gewest
Using a metric like GDP growth (which I assume is the metric you're using for economic growth? because per capita gdp fell through most of this period) is a bit misleading, as it fails to take into account the severe increase in income inequality, which means you are simply praising Cameron for allowing richer people to get richer at the expense of the rest of the public... which isn't a great thing in my book. Also, employment only increased during this period due to the huge dip it took due to the economic disaster of 2008. It didn't reach it's pre-2008 levels until 2015, and even then it was fully stagnant for the first 3 years of Cameron's premiership.
It's interesting you raised the point about BMJ's perceived agenda. I should point out that I have seen the figure fact-checked (as it is one caused by excess mortality rates, so like you said open to interpretation. One of the studies showed the figure closer to 130,000 from 2012-2017, and another suggested that Austerity could only be directly blamed for 80,000 or so. Nevertheless, this policy did have a substantial impact on mortality rate in this period.
You are, of course, right about other parties being involved in scandals. However, as anyone who has studied GCSE/Alevel History knows, the sheer volume of Conservative scandals blows the others out of the water. There are entire chapters dedicated to Conservative scandals in the AQA Alevel History Textbook (if i remember my exam board correctly), and there just aren't enough scandals throughout the 1900s for the other parties to get more than an honourable mention. Also, saying that scandals in politics is "just politics" is what allows politicians to keep getting away with this stuff in the first place. We must hold them to account, call them out when they get things wrong, and vote them out when the corruption becomes apparent. That is an opinion I hold for all parties - I have no love for the Labour party, and if they were engrossed in half as many scandals as the Conservatives I would be saying the exact same thing.
Orennica, The belacian states, Ostrovskiy, and The glorious state of corbyn
yanks am i right ;)
Ostrovskiy and The glorious state of corbyn
We definitely recovered faster than other European nations. And yes, I am praising Cameron for allowing rich people to get richer, but I don't think that's at the expense of the rest of the public, seeing as that facilitates jobs, facilities, infrastructure, investment, etc. It improved at a similar rate as before the crash, which sounds like healthy recovery from a recession to me.
It probably did have an impact, I just don't think it's a useful metric at all.
Scandals are inevitable as long as humans are human. I'd even go so far as to say that the labour anti semitism scandal and jezza's terrorist links are worse than any conservative scandal after 2010.
well considering the anti-semitism scandal coincided with in the view of unbiased reporters a pretty much equally bad anti-islam scandal in the Conservative party I don't think that's a fair assessment...
Also please please tell me you're not about to start praising the wonders of trickle-down economics? Because it has been proven time and time again to be absolute tosh.
Orennica, The belacian states, and Ostrovskiy
well said
Corbyn’s terrorist links were most probably overstated by the right wing press; I believe he talked with them in order to try and facilitate peace arrangements (whether that’s acceptable or not is up for debate), he obviously doesn’t and didn’t endorse terrorism.
The China/Pelosi situation is interesting. I think it’s not very clever of her to visit at this time because it gives more legitimacy to Taiwan. As much as I support Taiwan’s independence and sovereignty, it angers China at a time where that is really not needed given other global crises, and also means that if China do invade Taiwan, there is now, I feel, more pressure on the US to act strongly.
Don’t know if that’s particularly insightful but my thoughts having seen the surface of the situation
Aussandries, Orennica, Ostrovskiy, and The glorious state of corbyn
Employment is nice, but income was still going down £3000 p.a…
Aussandries and Orennica
Maths, Physics, Chemistries, Biologies, Zoologies, Astronomies.
it is good, and i stand with taiwan against china any day. but it is only good if it works as it is intended - as a deterrent for china to invade - if china invades anyway, then the US (and, let's be honest, the rest of the world will go where they lead) is involved in fighting against Russia and China, which sounds to me like the start of the third world war...
Orennica, The belacian states, Ostrovskiy, and The glorious state of corbyn
2/6 aint bad ;)
if it helps the reason we brits call it Maths is because it is an abbreviation of Mathematics, which is the official name obvs. And as we made the abbreviation first, even though urs might make more sense, ours is right ;)
Orennica, The belacian states, and Ostrovskiy
The US is currently not fighting Russia and has no plans to do so unless the situation in Ukraine gets especially dire (it's not), or Russia invades the Baltics (probably not, but with Putin in charge, who knows?)
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