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Arctic Lands wrote:

Hey everyone, happy Victory Day! Today, the glorious Red Army has defeated fascism! Unfortunately, the brown plague has started to spring up again, now within Russia,the victor herself, and USA, our valuable ally. This shows that fascism can only be defeated by the global proletariat! Workers of the world, unite!

GLORY TO THE SOVIET ARMY! HIP-HIP-HURRAY!!!

Bolshaya wrote:

Awake :D

Good to see you.

Feifell, Arctic Lands, Bukhara Empire, and Bolshaya

The DeCode of Cyptopir

Arctic Lands wrote:

Hey everyone, happy Victory Day! Today, the glorious Red Army has defeated fascism! Unfortunately, the brown plague has started to spring up again, now within Russia,the victor herself, and USA, our valuable ally. This shows that fascism can only be defeated by the global proletariat! Workers of the world, unite!

Except that the Soviet Union wasn't even communist according to your definition of communism; and that it was American capital and supplies that funded Russia's push forward..

If anything, it's more of an argument for capitalism, as much as I hate to admit it.

Feifell

The Resident Ratboy of Tungstan

Arctic Lands wrote:

Hey everyone, happy Victory Day! Today, the glorious Red Army has defeated fascism! Unfortunately, the brown plague has started to spring up again, now within Russia,the victor herself, and USA, our valuable ally. This shows that fascism can only be defeated by the global proletariat! Workers of the world, unite!

Workers of the world, unite! Hi btw :3

Feifell, Stratonesia, and Arctic Lands

Can we really call it "Victory over Fascism Day" when fascism seems to have never left?

Animu Place, Luxize, Bagong Timog Mindanao, Feifell, and 2 othersPerno Comitee, and Angevin-Romanov Crimea

The Unforgiving Cold of Arctic Lands

Tungstan wrote:

Can we really call it "Victory over Fascism Day" when fascism seems to have never left?

Don't be nerd please .

Perno Comitee

The ♡ holy ♡ ωєєву иαтισи of Animu Place

Cyptopir wrote:

Except that the Soviet Union wasn't even communist according to your definition of communism; and that it was American capital and supplies that funded Russia's push forward..

If anything, it's more of an argument for capitalism, as much as I hate to admit it.

What? No. I'm making a point that fascism wasn't properly defeated back then and what we need is global workers' unity.

Luxize and Bukhara Empire

The North Pacific

Bukhara Empire wrote:

Don't be nerd please .

Let him elaborate

The Government Initiative of Feifell

Bagong Timog Mindanao wrote:

Laughs in top 224

Laughs in top 51%
That was a frightened laugh in case anyone needed the clarification.

Three Galaxies, Arctic Lands, and Bukhara Empire

Hooray, now I have nuclear power plants)

Feifell, Stratonesia, Arctic Lands, Perno Comitee, and 1 otherBolshaya

Bukhara Empire wrote:

Hooray, now I have nuclear power plants)

Make weapons with it

The Resident Ratboy of Tungstan

Arctic Lands wrote:

What? No. I'm making a point that fascism wasn't properly defeated back then and what we need is global workers' unity.

The syndicalists are acting too strongly in Arkhangelsk, I'm sure they won't try to stage a revolution (my country is already in a state of unofficial civil war)

Arctic Lands and Perno Comitee

The Neo-Yassist French Empire of Luxize

To elaborate, I don't really see it as worthy of being "Victory over Fascism Day" because fascism seems to have never really been defeated: look at the US and many other countries and you'll see growing or already grown far-right movements that could very well be considered fascism.

It just feels like we won the battle, not the war.

Bukhara Empire wrote:

Don't be nerd please .

You're on NationStates.

We're all nerds. _{(except for Cypie and Kelt)}

Cyptopir, Perno Comitee, and Angevin-Romanov Crimea

Arctic Lands wrote:

What? No. I'm making a point that fascism wasn't properly defeated back then and what we need is global workers' unity.

Ah, how easily democracy can devolve into fascism. Time for technocracy! :)

The Neo-Yassist French Empire of Luxize

Stratonesia wrote:

Make weapons with it

I already have

Tungstan wrote:

To elaborate, I don't really see it as worthy of being "Victory over Fascism Day" because fascism seems to have never really been defeated: look at the US and many other countries and you'll see growing or already grown far-right movements that could very well be considered fascism.

It just feels like we won the battle, not the war.

In which, you're right. I'd however also like to elaborate that fascism is difficult to place on the left-right scales, as the centre-left/leftist concept of social democracy also counts as a form of fascism, be it a more moderate form.

Arctic Lands

The Unforgiving Cold of Arctic Lands

Luxize wrote:

Ah, how easily democracy can devolve into fascism. Time for technocracy! :)

"Ah, how easily technocracy can devolve into fascism. Time for communism!"

Arctic Lands

Tungstan wrote:

To elaborate, I don't really see it as worthy of being "Victory over Fascism Day" because fascism seems to have never really been defeated: look at the US and many other countries and you'll see growing or already grown far-right movements that could very well be considered fascism.

It just feels like we won the battle, not the war.You're on NationStates.

We're all nerds. _{(except for Cypie and Kelt)}

Arctic Lands wrote:

What? No. I'm making a point that fascism wasn't properly defeated back then and what we need is global workers' unity.

For starters, it's officially called "Victory Day", and it was very much a victory over fascism, although temporary. The be-all-end-all victory over fascism will be when imperialistic capital CTEs (remember the definition of fascism?). And that point is communism.

The Neo-Yassist French Empire of Luxize

Bukhara Empire wrote:

"Ah, how easily technocracy can devolve into fascism. Time for communism!"

Now I'm curious - how would technocracy, by which I mean the socialist variety explored primarily in the US in the 1930s, devolve into fascism?

The Feminist Empire of Three Galaxies

Tungstan wrote:

To elaborate, I don't really see it as worthy of being "Victory over Fascism Day" because fascism seems to have never really been defeated: look at the US and many other countries and you'll see growing or already grown far-right movements that could very well be considered fascism.[/sub]

Like /pol/.

Also, I am very sorry for the whole diatribe this morning. I hope you forgive me.

The God Emperor did nothing wrong.

The Unforgiving Cold of Arctic Lands

Arctic Lands wrote:

For starters, it's officially called "Victory Day", and it was very much a victory over fascism, although temporary. The be-all-end-all victory over fascism will be when imperialistic capital CTEs (remember the definition of fascism?). And that point is communism.

Can I consider everyone who is not a communist, socialist or syndicalist to be fascists?/j

Luxize wrote:

Now I'm curious - how would technocracy, by which I mean the socialist variety explored primarily in the US in the 1930s, devolve into fascism?

You have described it in our earlier dialogue as a rule of intelligentsia. That would mean it doesn't abolish social stratification and thus isn't socialist at all. Class antagonisms will eventually come back and you'll have capitalism again, and it then will devolve into fascism.