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But God is supposed to guide his people, and what good does it serve if his people are being led by evil men? What if they're corrupted, and get sent to hell because of their priests?
Where's the free will in that, if the people who get sent to hell because of other people and don't know that they're wrong?
Coppatilism and Namapia
Maybe god wanted people to learn that they can't blindly hear authorities who just want to milk them out of money? Jesus in his teachings often encouraged his students to think independently for themselves while not causing damage to bystanders so it might be it. Or god would like to interfere as little as possible in order not to be a dictator over humans? There can be some good answers drawn from that.
Also from what i know you can't get sent to hell as long as you follow the principles of faith, but there is a middle ground for those who sinned not hardly enough called purgatory where they get cleansed and go to heaven after. So they could go there when they got manipulated.
So...they get punished unfairly because they were not aware that they were being tricked...by men God didn't kick out of the church. Right...
And about that whole free will thing, why are some allowed to express it more than others? Why are some born poor and others rich, and why are evil people allowed wealth when they don't deserve it, while some good people are left stricken in poverty? A question that has just occurred to me :p
I mean in bible it's just grey area and they could just as well educate people who got there by being manipulated, especially since there isn't talked much about purgatory.
If you mean censorship or political correctness in free will thing then i can say that humans are the one who came up with this. Like at the beggining there wasn't really any censorship and it got into discussions through pressure by either authorities or society ( taboo topics and stuff like that).
And when it comes to poor-rich thing then you are not born neither good or bad. You are developing over the course of your lifetime so it's all up to you whether you end up a wealthy exploiter owning slaves or just a local landlord caring for his people while just having decent amount of money. And poverty occurs often because people don't help each other and people who are rich aren't really moral and care about themselves. Like if you're rich and you're exploiting the poor people then you're going to suffer in the afterlife while the beggar who was following the teachings goes to the heaven. Same would happen if roles were reversed.
A broken clock is correct twice a day.
If I tell 2 truths and 1 lie, I'm reliable? Huh.
I know several "Jesuses" alive today.
Gabriel Jesus, Jesus Navas, Jesus Manuel Corona, Jesus Vallejo. And those are just the soccer players.
Nope. To argue or debate:
argue
verb
UK /ˈɑːɡ.juː/ US /ˈɑːrɡ.juː/
argue verb (DISAGREE)
B1 [ I ]
to speak angrily to someone, telling that person that you disagree with them:
The children are always arguing.
Kids, will you stop arguing with each other?
They were arguing over/about which film to go and see.
Thesaurus: synonyms, antonyms, and examples
to argue with someone
argueThe kids are always arguing about something.
have an argumentI had an argument with my sister.
fightThe two sides continue to fight over control of the assembly.
quarrelStop quarrelling, you two!
rowUK My parents were always rowing about money.
squabbleThey are still squabbling over who will get the big office.
If you want to learn, you research or study the subject.
A cup mat is useful. One isn't disgusted by a cup mat.
Toilet paper, especially when used, does disgust ppl.
Same as piece of rubbish. Which can actually mean 2 things. It can be nonsense or trash/ garbage.
The bible makes great reading material, incest (Lot), betrayal (Samson), death and resurrection, love etc.
But so do loads of books. I don't believe in fairytales. Yes I've seen elves, pixies etc. Still doesn't mean that the fairytales are true.
Well now that you're saying fairy tales aren't real, you have to prove it!!!!!1!1!
That's how it works, right?
Thepeopl and Coppatilism
I said it addds to it's reliability and there isn't much stuff that doesn't add up in Bible especially in New Testament. Like a lot of people can argue about miracles and stuff like that but major events like death of Jesus, dissapearence of his body, beginnings of christianity add up and together with sources from the time align with each other. Other stuff is not proofed hard enough because there aren't people talking about it in other sources but it's hard to find any historical inconsistencies in it.
Also when they talk about a man "stirring" revolt in Modern-day middle east by creating a sect from judaists who's called Jesus who lived at the same time as events in the New Testament then it's a good enough proof for the existence of that said man isn't it?
Also i literally thought that arguing in English means the same thing as discussing because i have similiar word like that in my native language so my fault.
And talking about certain subjects, drawing conclusions, interchanging ideas and things like that can broaden your horizons so discussing matters can be helpful in learning. Ancient philosophers like Socrates for example promoted it as a way of getting new knowledge. To this day in philosophical and more intelectual circles it's one of main ways of doing that.
Also by saying these things i meant that disregarding and talking about other ideas, movements and literary works presenting them in a humilating maner without proper arguments is just foolish and isn't a proper way of discussing things like that in more intellectual circles.
How are you guys doing?
This is nonsense. If we assume that there is god and he "gave people free will", this means that he will neither answer to prayers nor will interfere in any way, so for all intends and purposes, this is equivalent to "no god". But if that's true and people could do whatever they want...This sharply contradicts the bible itself. And the fact that exactly this god wanted to punish people for them being corrupt and evil by drowning them.
And saying that "god gave free will" contradicts the fact that he is supposedly omnipotent and omnipresent. And if so...why the 10 commandments?
Do whatever you want, but if you worship any other god, except me - you will burn in hell. Wat?
Good! How are you?
New Anarchisticstan and Imperium of texas
I’m good!
How did I end up here? I played this game once but I know I didn’t start in this region.
It is. See, it started in the state of New York...
Over 100 years ago they passed a law in New York that restricted their residents second amendment rights to such an extent that they could only carry a gun in their own homes. Self-defense wasn't considered a legitimate reason to carry a gun outside your home unless you were a celebrity, a politician, or an otherwise wealthy person because they had to demonstrate an arbitrarily undefined "proper cause." A rise in criminal activity in your neighborhood wasn't deemed a justified reason to carry a gun for self-defense. People had to specify the threat, such as being famous and receiving death threats or having a stalker that might harm them. So the only people outside of their homes with a gun were those aforementioned people, and criminals with illegally obtained guns, (unregistered guns with the serial numbers filed off, or guns that were outright illegal such as military grade weapons.) Now, I'm sure you can see why this left everyone else so vulnerable to those whom have illegal guns. So it went to court three times. First in 2018, where the case was dismissed. Then it was appealed in 2020, and then to the Supreme Court! The law was deemed not just unconstitutional, but so directly infringing on the second amendment rights of the people of New York that Justice Clarence Thomas wrote in the decision that the second amendment right to bear arms for self-defense in public is not "a second-class right, subject to an entirely different body of rules than the other Bill of Rights guarantees. That is not how the First Amendment works when it comes to unpopular speech or the free exercise of religion. It is not how the Sixth Amendment works when it comes to a defendant's right to confront the witnesses against him. And it is not how the Second Amendment works when it comes to public carry for self- defense."
Now the other six states (and the District of Columbia) which had the same law as New York also have to abide by the ruling, opening concealed carry gun licenses to millions of people outside their own homes for self-defense in public places.
There is NO afterlife, no Heaven, no Hell. Justice here and now. I stand for this. Why should we encourage people to be beggars, anyway?
Instead of actually helping them not to become beggars or to escape poverty? Why so passive should be we? Expecting reward when you die!?
You got ejected. Worry not, as some of the starter regions ban you for no reason. The starter regions that don't ban you reason less are The North Pacific and The South Pacific (I don't know about The East Pacific, it's the most overlooked of all the regions).
Thepeopl, Valiraisia, and Cowboy Dan
There is, I'd wager, probably a deep-rooted reason why you're against religion. Something must've gotten to you, either in your early years or later that has made you in denial.
Oh, I see. Thank you.
Thepeopl and Valiraisia
i thought it was the west
Such a good idea! Every psychopath and imbecile with 2 brain cells - with concealed gun, ready to massacre people. The Wild West.
The person, who is able to draw his gun faster lives to see another day.
we can have an alliance. under one condition. you give me all your african colonies. give these colonies the racial freedom they deserve. we will proudly accept your alliance if you accept. ill become an african superpower, youll have a great help in you world war, and an african ally that i can attack colonies
How giving free will to people would make him not answer their prayers? Just because you give your daughter free hand in leading her life later on doesn't mean she can't ask you for help... Also if she's being manipulated by someone to give him her money and her dad taught her to think in situations like that then it still doesn't change the fact she can ask god for help.
Also when you're talking about the whole flood story and Noe then it's just how afterlife looks like. If you follow teachings of god you go to heaven and live happily. If you would rather do what devil is doing you go to hell because you prefer him and his moral code.
And how does being Omnipotent and Omnipresent contradicts with free will? He can be all-mighty but he could just not use his powers and he can be everywhere while not intervening.
Also 10 commandments are rules which tell you what to do if you want to end up in heaven. That's just like putting requirements needed to get into some university on it's website. It doesn't force you to go there, but it's better university than the other ones and if you meet the requirements you can get into it.
Also by other god he meant the devil... Like it's rather clear you'll burn in hell if you don't meet prerequisites to heaven and you prefer praying to the devil.
That's your personal opinion of an atheist, just because you believe in it doesn't mean others can't.
Also christianity was literally promoting helping beggars during life and heaven is place for people who follow the rules of god. Jesus wasn't even passive about it, like even in later years when church got corrupted giving food to the beggars by kings was considered pious so this argument doesn't make any sense.
New York's oppressive gun restrictions didn't prevent the mass shooting in Buffalo, New York. Criminals will always find a way to get their guns, legal or otherwise. The best we can do is arm ourselves to fight back. Otherwise we merely sit back and wait for death.
Coppatilism and Horrorlandian State
Then seems like you have to deal with your corrupt government and organized crime, right? Do you think that 20 something woman will have the training to draw a gun faster than a hardened recidivist or psychopath? Or you will go to the grocery store with a finger on the trigger?
Just because you have a gun, this doesn't mean that you can't be shot dead.
Why do you think that a person must have a personal reason to think that religion is BS and this person must be misguided or lost?
And you can't even consider the idea that religion is BS, no scientific proof, no logic, no common sense, requires you to blindly follow and abide by dogmas, modified and used to manipulate the masses by the church and other corrupt and evil institutions and individuals?
Doesn't anyone else find it fishy how they want to disarm the general population, (most of whom I'd wager do not own assault rifles), but they have bodyguards with guns around them all the time? Something just smells rotten there. Furthermore, if they ban regular firearms, people will just get them off the black market. I saw this one documentary that illustrated just how easy it was for people to buy guns and assault rifles on the black market. It took the investigative journalist mere hours to get them into her hands! Crazy!
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