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Taurifederation

Namapia wrote:

Also christianity was literally promoting helping beggars during life and heaven is place for people who follow the rules of god. Jesus wasn't even passive about it, like even in later years when church got corrupted giving food to the beggars by kings was considered pious so this argument doesn't make any sense.

This is BS. The bible states "ignorance is bliss". If you are ignorant, you will never escape poverty. This is religion to keep you submissive with false promises that some day when you DIE you will go to heaven.

Taurifederation wrote:This is BS. The bible states "ignorance is bliss". If you are ignorant, you will never escape poverty. This is religion to keep you submissive with false promises that some day when you DIE you will go to heaven.

Need I remind you that Jesus was literally promoting THINKING and teached his students to THINK FOR THEMSELVES and not to let people manipulate them. Just because corrupt individuals use it to gather crowds of their supporters it doesn't mean that religion in itself is about it. You saying that Bible is promoting ignorance makes no sense considering what Jesus teached his students.

Taurifederation

Namapia wrote:Also when you're talking about the whole flood story and Noe then it's just how afterlife looks like. If you follow teachings of god you go to heaven and live happily. If you would rather do what devil is doing you go to hell because you prefer him and his moral code.
And how does being Omnipotent and Omnipresent contradicts with free will? He can be all-mighty but he could just not use his powers and he can be everywhere while not intervening.

I prefer nothing. Nobody will tell me where I will go. And actually, there is nobody to tell me. And if we assume that all this is true, I would be the rebellion itself, kicking both into the abyss of darkness and oblivion, so they can leave people alone.
How Omnipotent contradicts? So, if we assume existence, then we are a cheap TV show? Time to rebel, even if you believe.
I will do as I see fit.

Namapia wrote:Need I remind you that Jesus was literally promoting THINKING and teached his students to THINK FOR THEMSELVES and not to let people manipulate them. Just because corrupt individuals use it to gather crowds of their supporters it doesn't mean that religion in itself is about it. You saying that Bible is promoting ignorance makes no sense considering what Jesus teached his students.

And we all know where they got with all this "wisdom". The dark ages, Inquisition, burning at the stake.
Thank the renaissance that you are alive. And the spread of secularism, the forceful separation of the church from the state.

The church of satan

Taurifederation wrote:Then seems like you have to deal with your corrupt government and organized crime, right? Do you think that 20 something woman will have the training to draw a gun faster than a hardened recidivist or psychopath? Or you will go to the grocery store with a finger on the trigger?
Just because you have a gun, this doesn't mean that you can't be shot dead.

Your mistake is making the implication that all criminals who perpetrate gun crime are somehow expertly trained, capable of militaristic level marksmanship and speed. Just as organized crime members somehow are. But they're just people, like all of us. They don't all have a military background. This means we're all on equal footing, barring that background. We either live or die, rather than simply be caught defenseless and get shot down.

Horrorlandian State wrote:Doesn't anyone else find it fishy how they want to disarm the general population, (most of whom I'd wager do not own assault rifles), but they have bodyguards with guns around them all the time? Something just smells rotten there. Furthermore, if they ban regular firearms, people will just get them off the black market. I saw this one documentary that illustrated just how easy it was for people to buy guns and assault rifles on the black market. It took the investigative journalist mere hours to get them into her hands! Crazy!

How else do you think they intend to turn all of us into criminals? :P

Kirillan and haikrowas

I don't expect it myself, I have abolished capitalism 👍😐
Well, then I will be a Soviet state, although I think it will be possible to fix everything later.

Taurifederation wrote:And we all know where they got with all this "wisdom". The dark ages, Inquisition, burning at the stake.
Thank the renaissance that you are alive. And the spread of secularism, the forceful separation of the church from the state.

How many times do i need to tell you that actions of corrupt individuals who try to justify their actions with religion are bad but religion in itself isn't???? Tell me where in Bible Jesus talks about burning people to the ground for their believes instead of loving their brethen? Just because people didn't think about his teachings and blindly followed corrupt authorities doesn't mean religion is corrupt in itself how many times do i have to tell you that?

Also forceful separation of church from state was an idea since enlightment which was in 1700's while renaissance was taking place in 1400's...

Taurifederation

The church of satan wrote:Your mistake is making the implication that all criminals who perpetrate gun crime are somehow expertly trained, capable of militaristic level marksmanship and speed. Just as organized crime members somehow are. But they're just people, like all of us. They don't all have a military background. This means we're all on equal footing, barring that background. We either live or die, rather than simply be caught defenseless and get shot down.
How else do you think they intend to turn all of us into criminals? :P

Yes, if you are criminal, except if you are one of the drugged morons, robbing small shops, then it is logical to be better with a gun than the average woman. Even so, even if you do have a gun, this doesn't mean that I can't ambush you behind the corner and kill you. Have you ever considered that the mere fact that everybody carries a gun, can escalate things even more? Because if you see a gun, you won't hesitate to use yours.
Why people here don't shoot or kill each other as often as in your part of the world? Yes, there is crime, but not rampant like USA.
You brought this upon yourself.

The church of satan wrote:Your mistake is making the implication that all criminals who perpetrate gun crime are somehow expertly trained, capable of militaristic level marksmanship and speed. Just as organized crime members somehow are. But they're just people, like all of us. They don't all have a military background. This means we're all on equal footing, barring that background. We either live or die, rather than simply be caught defenseless and get shot down.
How else do you think they intend to turn all of us into criminals? :P

We should have nightly purges instead of yearly ones like in the movies.

Hobbubobbia

Namapia wrote:Tell me where in Bible Jesus talks about burning people to the ground for their believes instead of loving their brethen?

In fairness, his dad tells the Israelites to commit genocide on at least one occasion (and commits a few all on his own). :p

Taurifederation

Taurifederation

Namapia wrote:Also forceful separation of church from state was an idea since enlightment which was in 1700's while renaissance was taking place in 1400's...

The Renaissance started it all.

Hobbubobbia wrote:In fairness, his dad tells the Israelites to commit genocide once or twice

The whole thing with original Tora and it's sequel which make the duology called Bible is complicated in itself and there are even beliefs which think of god in the original as the devil or just completely ignore it so it's quite complicated topic.

Aandruzognivia

Taurifederation

Namapia wrote:How many times do i need to tell you that actions of corrupt individuals who try to justify their actions with religion are bad but religion in itself isn't????

Religion is bad. Narrow-Mindedness, as you must follow some imaginary rules and dogmas. And you are forbidden to even think about certain things....Which are defined by the church...for your convenience. Abide or be burned at the stake.
Or better leave not a single rock standing...of the corrupt institution called Church, using their tool Religion to manipulate people.

Taurifederation wrote:Religion is bad. Narrow-Mindedness, as you must follow some imaginary rules and dogmas. And you are forbidden to even think about certain things....Which are defined by the church...for your convenience. Abide or be burned at the stake.

You're doing the whole circle on purpose aren't you? "_"

Taurifederation

Namapia wrote:You're doing the whole circle on purpose aren't you? "_"

You are telling nothing new. That's why. You either are a free thinker or you are believer. Those two are..incompatible.
You either revere the science or you live in BS fantasy world. Where people you don't like burn in hell.

The church of satan

Taurifederation wrote:Yes, if you are criminal, except if you are one of the drugged morons, robbing small shops, then it is logical to be better with a gun than the average woman. Even so, even if you do have a gun, this doesn't mean that I can't ambush you behind the corner and kill you. Have you ever considered that the mere fact that everybody carries a gun, can escalate things even more? Because if you see a gun, you won't hesitate to use yours.
Why people here don't shoot or kill each other as often as in your part of the world? Yes, there is crime, but not rampant like USA.
You brought this upon yourself.

Consider that America is also vastly larger than most countries. More people means larger statistics than, say, Norway, for example. We have more people to look after. More variables to factor in, different laws to take into account, etc.

Coppatilism

Taurifederation

The church of satan wrote:We have more people to look after.

And more people to do this. That's why the statistics are on 100 000 population, right?
This makes it possible to actually compare the different countries around the world.

Taurifederation wrote:You are telling nothing new. That's why. You either are a free thinker or you are believer. Those two are..incompatible.

You can be free thinker while believing in something... Just because you believe that socialism works it doesn't mean you will be a radical saying how dumb capitalists are while not listening to them while you say how superior it is. You still can discuss the whole topic, point flaws in both systems, say how you'll fix it and why you think it's better. Free thinking means you are ready to learn new things, experiences and being ready to exchange ideas while believing is thinking that something/someone is the best.

Hobbubobbia

Namapia wrote:The whole thing with original Tora and it's sequel which make the duology called Bible is complicated in itself and there are even beliefs which think of god in the original as the devil or just completely ignore it so it's quite complicated topic.

"hurr durr Torah God was Satan"
stop coping bro, the God of the old testament describes themselves as being wrathful and jealous multiple times lol

Aandruzognivia

The church of satan

Taurifederation wrote:And more people to do this. That's why the statistics are on 100 000 population, right?
This makes it possible to actually compare the different countries around the world.

And while I'm sure you like living in a police state, where you can simply be carted off at the whim of Putin, us Americans value our freedoms. We don't like being left at the mercilessness of criminals. We'd rather defend ourselves.

Coppatilism and Horrorlandian State

Hobbubobbia wrote:"hurr durr Torah God was Satan"
Miss me with that cope, the God of the old testament describes themself as wrathful and jealous multiple times lmao

That's why i said it's complicated. Like nowadays there is even a theory saying that Old and New testament were mixed together by mistake because christians were thought to be a judaist sect by Romans who in turn thought of New Testament as a sequel to the old one because guys who wanted to popularize it wanted to make it easier to understand. Like there are many differences between them especially how god is portrayed and that's why many believes don't include one or another. And the more popular response is that differences were created because completely different people wrote both of these texts.

Hobbubobbia wrote:"hurr durr Torah God was Satan"
stop coping bro, the God of the old testament describes themselves as being wrathful and jealous multiple times lol

Oh yeah God in the old testament was really extreme.

Aandruzognivia

Holy saganianispoli

Greater Somoiland wrote:we can have an alliance. under one condition. you give me all your african colonies. give these colonies the racial freedom they deserve. we will proudly accept your alliance if you accept. ill become an african superpower, youll have a great help in you world war, and an african ally that i can attack colonies

You get all besides madagascar and those at the gold coast. I say you me and andaratium form a union.

Holy saganianispoli wrote:You get all besides madagascar and those at the gold coast. I say you me and andaratium form a union.

im getting madagascar whether you like it or not. dont lead this into a war

The church of satan wrote:And while I'm sure you like living in a police state, where you can simply be carted off at the whim of Putin, us Americans value our freedoms. We don't like being left at the mercilessness of criminals. We'd rather defend ourselves.

He probably doesn't live in Russia at the moment, though. I'm thinking he might be somewhere else in Eastern Europe, but certainly not in Russia. He's just trollin'!

The church of satan

Horrorlandian State wrote:He probably doesn't live in Russia at the moment, though. I'm thinking he might be somewhere else in Eastern Europe, but certainly not in Russia. He's just trollin'!

Doesn't mean I can't totally wreck it, heh.

Aandruzognivia and Horrorlandian State

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