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Regional defence council of aragon

Union of eurasian states wrote:Also Catalonia was captured by both anarchist AND republics, and the anarchist never overthrew the Catalonian government or states, they just took control of the economy

Except the Republic didn't really control Catalonia. It became autonomous with the Catalan government having power on paper. The trade unions were the ones in reality to control the area (they were the ones in power).

Edit: Grammar

Das pardgulew and Soviet catgirls

Regional defence council of aragon

Union of eurasian states wrote:The CNT wasn’t just a trade union, it played a large role in the revolution because it was literally part of the republican government and held ministries. The UGT also kept itself legal within Spain, it did not take part in the revolution and instead held a collaborative attitude with the dictatorship.

The CNT is still a trade union. Revolutionary Catalonia and my namesake were quite independent from the Republic despite the Republic technically having jurisdiction over those areas. The Republican government took active steps in trying to stop the revolution.

Das pardgulew and Soviet catgirls

WA Vote:

I vote for, with the majority of the region.

SC Vote:

I vote against, with the majority of the region.

Secretary Dyl

Alangrad, Regional defence council of aragon, Das pardgulew, Sauros, and 1 otherSoviet catgirls

The storytellers cooperative

Greetings and Salutations from The Storytellers Cooperative.

We are a community of dedicated chroniclers who swore an oath to document and disseminate the true order of events unfolding in a far-off and distant land. Lend us your ears and allow us to show what's been hidden beneath the surface.

Marshem 12, 2043.

My Dear Aurelio,

I know that I promised you I wouldn't get into any trouble, but I swear to you this will be the last time. If everything goes according to plan, we can rid our homeland of the Directorate once and for all. Under the cover of twilight, my elite unit will infiltrate the Factory and burn it to the ground. Should I not return, if I haven't said it a thousand times too many, I love you from the bottom of my heart. When I carry out this mission, I'll be thinking of you. I hope that you can forgive me for what I'm about to do. I may never see you again and the thought of being separated for even a millisecond shatters my heart into fragments. I don't know if or when I'll make it back from the Factory. The Directorate's surveillance drones might spot us before we get a chance. But I've got to give it all I've got, Aurelio. If we have any hope of a better life, Thaynia must be free.

And if I fail, I've written this song to remind you of me.

Though I cannot be near you tonight

I'll hold you close in my mind

And if I should fail in my quest,

O'er the hill, I lay in rest

Remember this, my dearest love

Just close your eyes and I'll be there

Just close your eyes, I'll wipe your tears

Just close your eyes and think of me

Love, Nathaniel

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What you just read was a letter from a rebel addressed to his beloved Aurelio just moments before the Raid on the Factory situated in the heart of Thaynia. Our records do not show if Nathaniel ever made it home to Aurelio, however, the Factory was rebuilt after the fire. The Directorate still rules over Thaynia to this day, extracting resources and exploiting the people's labor.

Thank you for reading this letter. We humbly urge you to spread the word far and wide:

The Storytellers Cooperative is alive and well!

The storytellers cooperative

Llorens, South Miruva, Kavagrad, Alangrad, and 6 othersGrod Island, New samon, Das pardgulew, Sauros, Soviet catgirls, and Soviet Federation of Eurasia

AGHHHHHH NOT THE NAZI RALLY ISSUE AGAIN!!!!!

South Miruva, Kavagrad, Dyl, Soviet catgirls, and 8 othersSuper Awesome Fun Times, Idontknowium, Equalitopia, Soviet Federation of Eurasia, Michigan and illinois, Helionyx, Garbelia in tla, and Empathiana

Michigan and illinois

So I'm guessing 5 is the limit for issues, I haven't been on this website in 3 days.

Unity In Diversity,
Leftist Assembly Comrades and Left-leaning nations.

Kavagrad, Das pardgulew, Sauros, Soviet Federation of Eurasia, and 2 othersHelionyx, and Mexicalia union

Michigan and illinois wrote:So I'm guessing 5 is the limit for issues, I haven't been on this website in 3 days.

Unity In Diversity,
Leftist Assembly Comrades and Left-leaning nations.

It is, yeah.

Mexicalia union

Someone asked this on another site, with the intent of sparking discussion:
Is it true that illegal immigrants are taking jobs away from citizens who want them?

Me:
Yes, but this doesn't mean the citizens are the only group losing out.
To get those jobs, the immigrants have to do menial jobs (that citizens often consider themselves too good for), or take lower pay (which citizens wouldn't tolerate), and/or otherwise be better qualified than the citizens, and because of their illegal status they have no protection from workplace abuse (or really any other kind of abuse).
Yet most of the time, immigration was their only option, to escape persecution and hostile environments in countries under distress, and have a chance at a stable life.
Some people on the citizens' side argue that these immigrants should stay and fix their own countries, if they're so smart and dedicated. But it's really not as easy as that. These people (edit: I mean the citizens) just don't want to deal with having to care about fellow human beings (the immigrants).
The fear of the loss of jobs, mostly through automation or exportation, is a valid one for people who are looking for ways to support their families, but channeling it into xenophobia is not healthy nor productive, as easy of a target as it may seem.
Besides, immigrants in the U.S. fuel the majority of some sectors of the economy that would perish if not for them, so we should really be grateful to them and extend to them the right to be a part of the country they give back to.

This is exactly why my ideal state would be able to provide resources and a stable life for anyone and everyone in the world, no matter their national origin, so people wouldn't have to worry about losing their source of income without reason.
(Edit: As an immigrant myself, I'm probably biased)

How about you guys?

Michigan and illinois

Mexicalia union wrote:Someone asked this on another site, with the intent of sparking discussion:
Is it true that illegal immigrants are taking jobs away from citizens who want them?

The problem with this question is the insidious framing of it. The way it is worded assumes and thus implies several things: there are a fixed amount of jobs (False), filling job openings is substitutive and not additive (Mixed), a significant number of illegal immigrants are filling job positions (False), immigrants and not companies are the ones responsible for a national shortage in jobs (False). The very basis of the problem posed is largely false.

The reality is that there is no shortage of work to be performed, but rather, companies try their best to minimize their amount of workforce and how much they pay them. Another reality is that there will always be a sizeable chunk of unemployment under capitalism because it needs a "reserve army of labor" to adapt to strikes, crises, and large economic shifts. Large business enterprises can easily create more job positions at any time and still afford it. If we are talking about jobs going somewhere else, let's talk about the 21st century culprits: offshoring and outsourcing. Companies can merely move their operations to another country where they can get away with paying pennies, or externalize part of their operations to be performed by an international third party for cheap. And with more and more business being done over the internet, offshoring and outsourcing will become increasingly easy and popular. The people that work for such companies are not illegal immigrants, but rightful citizens of their respective nations. It is the companies who are opportunistic, that take advantage of the commons and public resources, and deprive needy people of a source of income. It is the companies who pit people against people and play them for the lowest possible expense. The underlying problem that frustrates everyone is that we hope these companies stay loyal to the neighborhoods that enabled them to succeed, and to give back to us, but they don't.

Llorens, South Miruva, Michigan and illinois, Green green world, and 1 otherMexicalia union

Eloren wrote:(compressing down for the sake of my post, read directly above)

Often times, immigrants take jobs that wouldn't be otherwise taken, as well. Temporary farmhands and other similar jobs pretty heavily contract immigrants through a labor service program, as fully hiring someone for a job only needed a few weeks out of a year isn't a great business strategy.

South Miruva, Soviet Federation of Eurasia, Michigan and illinois, and Mexicalia union

Talao wrote:Often times, immigrants take jobs that wouldn't be otherwise taken, as well.

Can confirm. We have such situation here in Russia: jobs like janitor or food courier are usually taken by work immigrants from Central Asia or Caucasus. I can only find 2 potential reasons for this: either we don't have enough men or our people became too squearmish to get their hands dirty. I'm afraid it might be second one.

Mexicalia union

A fair few new folks in recently, so this is your regular reminder that we have a community Discord server, linked in our World Factbook Entry! It's where most of our activity occurs, so jump on over!

Llorens, South Miruva, New samon, Das pardgulew, and 5 othersSauros, Equalitopia, Garbelia in tla, Mexicalia union, and Razum collective

Mexicalia union wrote:Someone asked this on another site, with the intent of sparking discussion:
Is it true that illegal immigrants are taking jobs away from citizens who want them?

Me:
Yes, but this doesn't mean the citizens are the only group losing out.
To get those jobs, the immigrants have to do menial jobs (that citizens often consider themselves too good for), or take lower pay (which citizens wouldn't tolerate), and/or otherwise be better qualified than the citizens, and because of their illegal status they have no protection from workplace abuse (or really any other kind of abuse).
Yet most of the time, immigration was their only option, to escape persecution and hostile environments in countries under distress, and have a chance at a stable life.
Some people on the citizens' side argue that these immigrants should stay and fix their own countries, if they're so smart and dedicated. But it's really not as easy as that. These people just don't want to deal with having to care about fellow human beings.
The fear of the loss of jobs, mostly through automation or exportation, is a valid one for people who are looking for ways to support their families, but channeling it into xenophobia is not healthy nor productive, as easy of a target as it may seem.
Besides, immigrants in the U.S. fuel the majority of some sectors of the economy that would perish if not for them, so we should really be grateful to them and extend to them the right to be a part of the country they give back to.

This is exactly why my ideal state would be able to provide resources and a stable life for anyone and everyone in the world, no matter their national origin, so people wouldn't have to worry about losing their source of income without reason.

How about you guys?

No, because immigrants tend to fill jobs that went unfulfilled because the natural citizens do not want to or couldn’t do them. So that can’t be “stealing” jobs when no one wanted to or could do them in the first place

Kavagrad, Das pardgulew, Michigan and illinois, Green green world, and 2 othersEmpathiana, and Mexicalia union

Mexicalia union wrote:Someone asked this on another site, with the intent of sparking discussion:
Is it true that illegal immigrants are taking jobs away from citizens who want them?

Absolutely what Eloren said in particular, and I'd just expand that new people in any economy in fact create jobs. Those people require goods and services to exist, which can't simply materialise out of thin air. They use hospitals, buy groceries, eat out at restaurants, visit parks and museums, watch sports, et cetera. Labour is needed to provide those.

South Miruva, Eloren, Kavagrad, Das pardgulew, and 5 othersEqualitopia, Michigan and illinois, Garbelia in tla, Green green world, and Mexicalia union

Talao wrote:Often times, immigrants take jobs that wouldn't be otherwise taken, as well. Temporary farmhands and other similar jobs pretty heavily contract immigrants through a labor service program, as fully hiring someone for a job only needed a few weeks out of a year isn't a great business strategy.

Man. Anyone that thinks immigration is anything other than beneficial is just prejudiced. There is no economic justification for it. Immigration = growth. Period.

People that talk about "them" stealing their jobs just don't like seeing "them", in their country, at all. Can you imagine how insufferable those types would be if the immigrants DIDN'T have jobs?

New volica, Eloren, Das pardgulew, Equalitopia, and 2 othersMichigan and illinois, and Mexicalia union

The confederation of mexican workers

You guys remember that one time Albania and China had that weird relationship?

Mexican communists, Alangrad, Sauros, Soviet Federation of Eurasia, and 2 othersGreater europe and surroundings, and Razum collective

Post self-deleted by Therronja.

Helionyx wrote:Man. Anyone that thinks immigration is anything other than beneficial is just prejudiced. There is no economic justification for it. Immigration = growth. Period.

People that talk about "them" stealing their jobs just don't like seeing "them", in their country, at all. Can you imagine how insufferable those types would be if the immigrants DIDN'T have jobs?

Ideally labour wouldn't be organised in this way so then all workers could directly benefit from less working hours due to a larger workforce.
But instead capitalism

South Miruva, Das pardgulew, Sauros, Helionyx, and 1 otherMexicalia union

The confederation of mexican workers wrote:You guys remember that one time Albania and China had that weird relationship?

Well, I'm not sure how many people here were alive at the time, but yeah, I know of it from history materials.

Sauros, Equalitopia, and The confederation of mexican workers

Soviet Federation of Eurasia wrote:Well, I'm not sure how many people here were alive at the time, but yeah, I know of it from history materials.

i was there

Equalitopia, Soviet Federation of Eurasia, and The confederation of mexican workers

Regional defence council of aragon wrote:Trade Unions partook in administion, collectivization and formation of militias. The Anarachist trade unions: CNT and FIA, along with the socialist trade union: UGT had an active role in the revolution. Revolutionary Catalonia was practically controlled by trade unions.

FAI was and is an anarchist political organization, not a union. Spanish anarchism had far more around it than just the CNT: ateneos, the FIJL, FAI, different neighbourhood organizations, cooperatives, Mujeres Libres... The social revolution did not only rely on the union, on the CNT.

Also, Catalonia wasn't the only place where the Social Revolution took place, in fact, even if it differed its degree of importance depending on the region, in most of the republican territory it had influence.
Catalonia is commonly known because of Orwell and how Barcelona is the second biggest city in Spain.

South Miruva, Das pardgulew, and Equalitopia

Mexicalia union

One of my ministers was like:
"Why not allow fracking, but only in areas of Mexicalia Union where there are no major populated areas? I hear that the land in the Northern Furry Mountain Range is just ripe for hydraulic fracturing. There is a furry preservation area nearby, but it’s not like they’re going to be protesting.”

Why does this feel so typical
(clarification: there's a reason why I made the furry my national animal)

Mexicalia union

Union of eurasian states wrote:Holy crap you were right it just made a ton of things go up and bad things go down

I just got the same issue let's goooo

Whatever happened to player-written issues? Can we not contribute positively to the community in this way?

Sauros and Michigan and illinois

Michigan and illinois

Helionyx wrote:Whatever happened to player-written issues? Can we not contribute positively to the community in this way?

To save you time, short answer-no, if you would like to see why I think this, you can head right down.

NS probably doesn't have the time and resources to fulfill that, they can't just accept ALL issues so they would have to have a team- which they would have to pay for. Because no one trusts volunteers, even the ones who have put hours and days on end to improve this game.
Even if there was full on revolution, the left and right (after they fought together to save NS)wouldn't agree on how NS would be ruled, and eventually the elder users would restore power back to them and ensure that all players could have no power ever again.

I'm seriously overthinking this, so short answer no.

Helionyx

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