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Montecrux wrote:

(if it can be called that way

I don't think it can be called that way my friend. (Read the dispatch by the way, nice word. And if you don't mind, I will add a response to that talk.)

Turenia, before just ignoring and treating this message as expected objection message to your ideas Turenia, no. I don't agree with you, but I think I am trying to open your eyes. Oh also to tell some interesting things to fellow Europeans.

I am glad dear Europeans gave answers very well to you, Turenia. Though I always ask a question about these type of racist ideas: Why they are? What's the deal? Like is there any some type of cold-bloodly calculated benefit, such as chaning people to work for them for free? In this type of reasoning that woukd deserve very well punishment for the people. And I see, this isn't the case, so a warning should do.

Turenia wrote:

Islam is not compatible with a free western society, when it advocates for the opposite.

However claiming all of people in a religion "incompitable" with western ideas? What is the actual reason behind it? What is the gain?

There are many types of sects, cults and interprepations of Islam, consisting most compatible examples to militants in Afghanistan. I suggest you to read history about religions. And don't start with general stuff. Start with Mesopotamia and legends belong Sumers. Walk step by step and carefully. You will see interesting stuff. Such as, many things already been known before (generally accepted as) four main holy books (Quran, Bible, Torah, Psalter). I will not write spoiler in here, but I am sure not only you, many Europians would be suprised, whetever they do believe similar to you or not. These are generally ignored facts especialy in educational systems and caused by silent nationalism boosted by almost every governments. Because they have to create an identity.

"Incompitable" thing you can claim may only be a political one, like militants (I condemn them and personally disgusted to observe their actions.) These people extorte Islamic phrases, values, culture and even Arabic language to reshape into it to an ideology. Like the nazism, which extorted a normally peaceful cultural symbol swastika, and left it as the symbol o innocent blood of poor people: Only to humanity to carry forever.

A mosque's minaret (the long tower of the building) isn't started from Muhammed. It is actually symbol of unfourtunate schisim of Islam. (Check out Shia-Sunni split.) And many claims this is invention of "Yezid" who is disliked by both Sunnis and Shias because in the end, this is the guy who killed Muhammed's cousin and his cousin's children.

Centuries and mosque is still carrying these legacy. Originally, it was possible to be used by both female and male muslims simultaneously and even some sects claim that male and female weren't seperated by rooms, curtains etc. But the Yezid, turned into mosques propaganda centers, sent female to the home and rest is pretty much guessable.

However if you think this is valid excuse to justify the thing you've said, you're awfully wrong. And I doubt, you don't even have such knowledge about religion history, at least outline of it. More importantly, knowing "history is history" is more important. Because, the church, the synagogue also exposed same treatment. I don't know detail about those, but I am pretty sure, Romans first punished Christians and then used it as a tool. Also crusaders etc. is very well evidence may other people can tell me in here to support me, religion abused by clever but cold-blooded calculating people to control masses. And poor religion, left in the darkness without being actually learned, practiced, criticised.

Like the Catholic Church reformed themselves, Islam also went through the similar way. Now clever Sunnis I personally know, can very well understand history, free from political religion. However, going one step further, maybe torning down minarets? Similar things for other religions? And return to the origin? The times of Sumer, when it seemed the religion was in its most pure form. No, I don't think we can. Because the way of how to worship given to Sunni children usually at young age, it's difficult to break these barriers. But each generation always have better understanding about these and can ignore more disagreements to look into our joint history.

As a monoteist individual who doesn't believe any systematical religion, it is such a shame that, most artifacts destoyed during 2nd Gulf War and during the insurgency of ISIS. I don't know about the Gulf War, but same clever but cold-blooded people, definetly ordered their "servants" to destroy remaining artifacts just because "they should believe these were infidel things." And Turenia, cutting with simply saying Islam isn't compitable with the Western though is simply saying "Any information isn't important." Why Turenia?

See, traumas, education in family, your feeling in your chest, in a short word: Your being is important. Even though, feeling such ways may bring you to anger, disgust and general discomfort with different religions and ideas, you mustn't listen those instinctive reactions. If you check out history, you can clearly see, some horrible villains also had biggest prejudices. However, just because they had prejudices, this doesn't mean they didn't have will to change. That's why we call them "villains." Why Turenia? It is the inportant question. Because, you are not that type of "clever, cold-blooded calculating people" I had frequently mentioned. I might not know clever part, but you don't have the "cold-blood" Because, let's be real Turenia, you don't have to have superior IQ and EQ to guess something like this won't be accepted in RMB of NationStates' Europe. You've carried orders from somewhere, behaving like a chest piece to do your suppoused mission. And this geniuenly worries me, because I can't wish this type of curse even for my worst foes. Where from these orders? If it is from inner you, it will kill you and turn into real cold-blooded one. If it is from outer, the ideas you can't internalize, then it is time to abonden. After all, these type of calculated ideas can only be internalized by psychopats, who tries to justify their wrong enjoyement ways. An in 21th century, it can start gradually, by saying something like "My country is for only my race." After all, straight starting like failed Austrian artist would guaranteed jail and forced closement of your mouth.

Even so, always remember: Whatever you decide, until your limits of your will, until losing your mind, you are responsible for your actions and ideas. Just because feeling bad, isn't a justification. And I want to believe, many people can be turned from deadends. And I want to believe, at least you can give it a try and look into history and share your thoughts about it, to give me at least a hope to not treat most people as chest pieces.