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Kalatchevia wrote:Fascism was a little more left wing economically, but yeah they were similar

Fascist Italy was actually far-left. The reason they were so successful it because they were so militant and industrial, which powered their economy. Manufacturing and mining made many jobs for them.

Avelnia

Kalatchevia wrote:So would hitler actually

Yeah, Nazism literally means "National Socialism".

Avelnia

Anchillas wrote:Of course he would. Fascism is not very capitalist at all, it actually nationalized lots of industries and had lots of welfare. Mussolini actually somewhat liked Marxism.

Somewhat? Fascism is founded on the concept of being simultaneously anti-communist and anti-capitalist, thats the whole point

Anchillas

Maxcorp wrote:Leftists in most cases are like spoilt children complaining about not having enough money because they don’t want to work for it. Bruh I just explained communism.

Fascism is actually just an ultranationalist far-left ideology.

Maxcorp

Anchillas wrote:Fascist Italy was actually far-left. The reason they were so successful it because they were so militant and industrial, which powered their economy. Manufacturing and mining made many jobs for them.

Italy lost so early in the war due to under industrialisation compared to the allies

New Portuguese Empire and Anchillas

Anchillas wrote:Fascism is actually just an ultranationalist far-left ideology.

Far left I'd I'd exaggeration. Maybe economically centre or centre left, since fascist economics (corporatism) sought to create a mixed economy that was evenly split between capitalism and communism, to put it simply.

As an analogy, modern china uses a corporatism model just like fascist italy, with a combination of private and state enterprise, and presumably syndicates and unions. (Although it should be noted that the chinese corporatism structure is different to the Italian corporatism structure)

Anchillas

Anchillas wrote:Fascism is actually just an ultranationalist far-left ideology.

It isn’t really far left, but the government does kind of put regulations so it is a bit left. Capitalism is still allowed though.

Maxcorp wrote:It isn’t really far left, but the government does kind of put regulations so it is a bit left. Capitalism is still allowed though.

"Government regulations" is a misrepresentation of corporatism

Anchillas and Avelnia

Btw, corporatism is a real ideology, and is completely unrelated to corporations as we know them

Anchillas and Maxcorp

Anchillas

Maxcorp wrote:It isn’t really far left, but the government does kind of put regulations so it is a bit left. Capitalism is still allowed though.

They nationalized many industries and embraced welfare and unionism. They were more left than right.

Maxcorp

Anchillas

Kalatchevia wrote:Far left I'd I'd exaggeration. Maybe economically centre or centre left, since fascist economics (corporatism) sought to create a mixed economy that was evenly split between capitalism and communism, to put it simply.

As an analogy, modern china uses a corporatism model just like fascist italy, with a combination of private and state enterprise, and presumably syndicates and unions. (Although it should be noted that the chinese corporatism structure is different to the Italian corporatism structure)

I thought corporatism was when corporations ran the economy. Can you please explain the ideology?

Maxcorp

Anchillas wrote:They nationalized many industries and embraced welfare and unionism. They were more left than right.

Yeah. But they weren’t far left

Anchillas

Kalatchevia wrote:Btw, corporatism is a real ideology, and is completely unrelated to corporations as we know them

China's not Fascist though. Not even close. Mussolini would hate modern-day China.

Maxcorp

Anchillas wrote:I thought corporatism was when corporations ran the economy. Can you please explain the ideology?

It’s basically bad collectivism.

Anchillas

Anchillas wrote:China's not Fascist though. Not even close. Mussolini would hate modern-day China.

Lol, communism mixed with capitalism

Anchillas

Anchillas wrote:I thought corporatism was when corporations ran the economy. Can you please explain the ideology?

Corporations running the economy isn't a thing, if they end up doing that we just call it corruption (some people call it corporatocracy).

corporatism is the division of society into "corporate groups", meaning society is divided and allocated into specialised "organs". (See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism for more detail)

I'm trying to find a picture of the italian corporstist structure, which shows which bodies and organisations did what, but its hard to find

Anchillas and Maxcorp

Anchillashere it is

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/888563374974205982/897624609615147040/IMG_20210815_235438_2.jpg

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Kalatchevia wrote:Corporations running the economy isn't a thing, if they end up doing that we just call it corruption (some people call it corporatocracy).

corporatism is the division of society into "corporate groups", meaning society is divided and allocated into specialised "organs". (See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism for more detail)

I'm trying to find a picture of the italian corporstist structure, which shows which bodies and organisations did what, but its hard to find

Kalatchevia wrote:Anchillashere it is

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/888563374974205982/897624609615147040/IMG_20210815_235438_2.jpg

It's quite an interesting concept. Usually you only hear of Socialism or Capitalism, but this is something on Its own. So from what I'm getting from this Corporatism is there are different economic groups that operate in each industry and they work with or are run by the government. So basically corporations or large organizations are in charge of the economy but are regulated by the government? It confuses me.

Forensic reality

Where communism has government directly controlling the farms and factories from the ground breaking on up, fascism typically limits its control to the citizens who still organically develope the production means where the market points best, then government puts a gun to the CEOs head and hijacks the business for its own purpose.
Think Hitler and Porsche, or Obama and GM.

Communism, Fascism, Progressivism, whatever, are all subspecies of the same parent animal, Socialism.
However you institute it, it will be an Evil Mom/Spoiled Child ideology where those who believe they are entitled to be fed at all times, at anyone's expense will be tied to an entity that will leash the brats and benefactors both with its apron strings, so they can never grow up and stray from home, the will of the state, Mother Dearest.

Forensic reality wrote:Where communism has government directly controlling the farms and factories from the ground breaking on up, fascism typically limits its control to the citizens who still organically develope the production means where the market points best, then government puts a gun to the CEOs head and hijacks the business for its own purpose.
Think Hitler and Porsche, or Obama and GM.

Communism, Fascism, Progressivism, whatever, are all subspecies of the same parent animal, Socialism.
However you institute it, it will be an Evil Mom/Spoiled Child ideology where those who believe they are entitled to be fed at all times, at anyone's expense will be tied to an entity that will leash the brats and benefactors both with its apron strings, so they can never grow up and stray from home, the will of the state, Mother Dearest.

Thats not how fascism works

Anchillas

Anchillas wrote:It's quite an interesting concept. Usually you only hear of Socialism or Capitalism, but this is something on Its own. So from what I'm getting from this Corporatism is there are different economic groups that operate in each industry and they work with or are run by the government. So basically corporations or large organizations are in charge of the economy but are regulated by the government? It confuses me.

Corporatism is the organization of the economy into Syndicates that autonomously work for the state, the state owns the means of production while the workers semi autonomously own it themselves. Business is allowed, property is allowed as long as it coincides with National interest and the labour.
Corporations exist but are basically nationalized, they cannot keep secrets and are basically chained and opened. Cannot be private.

This is a summary of corporatism from someone on discord who is a fascist (as in subscribes to the theories of mussolini, and rejects capitalism, marxism and nazism)

Anchillas

Anchillas

Forensic reality wrote:Where communism has government directly controlling the farms and factories from the ground breaking on up, fascism typically limits its control to the citizens who still organically develope the production means where the market points best, then government puts a gun to the CEOs head and hijacks the business for its own purpose.
Think Hitler and Porsche, or Obama and GM.

Communism, Fascism, Progressivism, whatever, are all subspecies of the same parent animal, Socialism.
However you institute it, it will be an Evil Mom/Spoiled Child ideology where those who believe they are entitled to be fed at all times, at anyone's expense will be tied to an entity that will leash the brats and benefactors both with its apron strings, so they can never grow up and stray from home, the will of the state, Mother Dearest.

Fascism is when you work for the government and large organizations, not the other way around. You aren't fed as a child in it, my relatives had to work in the agriculture industry to make money and be fed.

You are completely wrong about Fascism, it doesn't threaten CEOS or any of that. The Corporations are heavily regulated or are completely nationalized by the governments to begin with.

You have not lived through Fascism, you have no clue how it works. And though I have not either, my relatives did.

Anchillas wrote:Fascism is when you work for the government and large organizations, not the other way around. You aren't fed as a child in it, my relatives had to work in the agriculture industry to make money and be fed.

You are completely wrong about Fascism, it doesn't threaten CEOS or any of that. The Corporations are heavily regulated or are completely nationalized by the governments to begin with.

You have not lived through Fascism, you have no clue how it works.

Neither have you lol, and you didn't even know about corporatism

Kalatchevia wrote:Neither have you lol, and you didn't even know about corporatism

My relatives did. I can ask them lmao, and I have.

Anchillas wrote:My relatives did. I can ask them lmao, and I have.

Yet it would seem they didn't school you on corporatism or the corporatist structure. Although admittedly that information probably wouldn't be relevant to a normal citizen

Anchillas

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