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Democracy is the worst form of government; except all the others we've tried...

That statement tends to hold true.

Cassinia, Informed consent, Meryk, Circulationem Pecunia, and 2 othersKalihnagara, and Diaperland

Am I the only one who has noticed a rapid uptick in women republican nominations? Nice when they can push back on a narrative without even trying. Donkeys, you are no longer the party of women. In my opinion this will allow the republicans to push back on narratives that their policies harm minorities and women.

Of course how can the donkeys be the party of women when they refuses to define woman 🤔🤔🤔

Gulf Oil, Informed consent, Kalihnagara, and Diaperland

Informed consent

Dennock wrote:Democracy is the worst form of government; except all the others we've tried...

That statement tends to hold true.

Society is a two sided coin, with equal dimensions of potential for positive and negative outcomes, because people are cast in the same mold.

The tragedy of the evil mom schools of thought is that they end up lining people up against walls and shoveling them into mass graves in sheer frustration over not being able to mint their societies as one sided coins.

You cannot allow for a maximum capacity of success without leaving the field open for a commiserate level of potential failure to go with it.
So every authoritarian regime however organized is doomed to failure before it even begins over a silly childish refusal to do the math right.

The human condition in league with capitalism and democracy has been the best trifecta bet ever made by a people.
Each is equal to the other in utility allowing you to put together a society in a variety of floor plans that can be easily remodeled as needed.
You just have to be an adult about it and accept that most flaws of the system are actually reflections of the flawed beings operating it.

Societies are like any other information system.
Garbage in, garbage out.

Dennock, Circulationem Pecunia, Kalihnagara, and Diaperland

Liberal Nut News of the Day

San Diego schools are axing honors classes and certain tests because they show inequalities among the races, therefore the tests are racist…

Have they ever considered the possibility that the school system just can’t teach right? Have they ever considered the possibility that the school system let minorities out to dry?

Why do we create new problems instead of logically solving the real problem?

Corporate fat cats, Gulf Oil, Informed consent, Circulationem Pecunia, and 2 othersKalihnagara, and Diaperland

Informed consent

Dennock wrote:Am I the only one who has noticed a rapid uptick in women republican nominations? Nice when they can push back on a narrative without even trying. Donkeys, you are no longer the party of women. In my opinion this will allow the republicans to push back on narratives that their policies harm minorities and women.

Of course how can the donkeys be the party of women when they refuses to define woman 🤔🤔🤔

The American Left only views people by the group, and in turn politically demarcates those group into artificial tribes of hyphenated Americans, and everyone within those tribes is stamped in a very specific pre-conceived mold.

All women have to be pro-choice.
All blacks have to vote Democrat.
All latin Americans have to be open border gypsies.
Etc, etc, etc, and God help you if you break any of those molds and garner financial or political success in any fashion not officially sanctioned by the cultural Marxist paradigm.

The irony being that the ideologues who play the race card anytime someone says boo lack the self-awareness to see their own prejudices and condescension in how they pidgin hole their own special interest groups.

Multiculturalism is one of the greatest lies of the modern age.
Diversity and inclusiveness are wonderful things, but are absolutely meaningless if the constituent parts are not allowed to freely interact and blend however they may to advance their best features and shelve the worst.

Like a segregated opium den, identity politics keep groups in their own safe space supplied with their own particular brand of cultural dope that keeps them intellectually insensate and docile for their political handlers.

Dennock, Meryk, Circulationem Pecunia, and Diaperland

I’m adding a new view to my list:

There should be an extensive social welfare system, for those who deserve it. Meaning help is given to hard-working and/or honest citizens. Welfare should not be given to leeches, non-citizens, or other dishonest citizens. Welfare Nationalism, a term conservatism in America should learn. If the Republicans took on this stance, I would no longer be an independent.

Informed consent

Dennock wrote:

Why do we create new problems instead of logically solving the real problem?

Professional activists and politicians are not going to put themselves out of work.

So government views failure as a resume enhancer, and puts the same people who cause problems in charge of fixing them.

Hence the old maxim, "If you wish a problem to persist, then assign it to government to solve."

Dennock wrote:I’m adding a new view to my list:

There should be an extensive social welfare system, for those who deserve it. Meaning help is given to hard-working and/or honest citizens. Welfare should not be given to leeches, non-citizens, or other dishonest citizens. Welfare Nationalism, a term conservatism in America should learn. If the Republicans took on this stance, I would no longer be an independent.

Heed this very old and simple truth, and you will go a long way in establishing a truly equitable society based on merit.

You cannot help someone who will not help themselves.

Arbitrarily redistribute all of the wealth you want, and all you will do is erode the will of the producer while maintaining the shiftless in perpetual poverty.
A net negative equation that spells out the eventual doom of all welfare states.

Corporate fat cats

Informed consent wrote:The American Left only views people by the group, and in turn politically demarcates those group into artificial tribes of hyphenated Americans, and everyone within those tribes is stamped in a very specific pre-conceived mold.

All women have to be pro-choice.
All blacks have to vote Democrat.
All latin Americans have to be open border gypsies.
Etc, etc, etc, and God help you if you break any of those molds and garner financial or political success in any fashion not officially sanctioned by the cultural Marxist paradigm.

The irony being that the ideologues who play the race card anytime someone says boo lack the self-awareness to see their own prejudices and condescension in how they pidgin hole their own special interest groups.

Multiculturalism is one of the greatest lies of the modern age.
Diversity and inclusiveness are wonderful things, but are absolutely meaningless if the constituent parts are not allowed to freely interact and blend however they may to advance their best features and shelve the worst.

Like a segregated opium den, identity politics keep groups in their own safe space supplied with their own particular brand of cultural dope that keeps them intellectually insensate and docile for their political handlers.

The vast majority of women are indeed pro-choice. At least in the sense that the government should stay the f&@k out of their reproductive systems, even if they actually disapprove of abortion and don't want anybody to have one. Those Republican morons have no idea what's coming...

Corporate fat cats

Dennock wrote:I’m adding a new view to my list:

There should be an extensive social welfare system, for those who deserve it. Meaning help is given to hard-working and/or honest citizens. Welfare should not be given to leeches, non-citizens, or other dishonest citizens. Welfare Nationalism, a term conservatism in America should learn. If the Republicans took on this stance, I would no longer be an independent.

That's what the idea with welfare is, but good luck trying to screen every single person to see, "if they're hardworking citizens," without government taxation for funds going through the roof. It's a nice idea, but an impractical one in practice. Welfare is a slippery slope.

Informed consent, Circulationem Pecunia, and Diaperland

Corporate fat cats

Informed consent wrote:You cannot help someone who will not help themselves.

Arbitrarily redistribute all of the wealth you want, and all you will do is erode the will of the producer while maintaining the shiftless in perpetual poverty.
A net negative equation that spells out the eventual doom of all welfare states.

Oh boy, this is Canada in a nutshell. I've seen welfare "working" in Canada, and the people who recieved the money just spent it on weed, actual marijuana plants, and their rent. They didn't get a job, and just sat on their welfare revenue stream, happy as a clam.

Informed consent

Informed consent

Midlands wrote:The vast majority of women are indeed pro-choice. At least in the sense that the government should stay the f&@k out of their reproductive systems, even if they actually disapprove of abortion and don't want anybody to have one. Those Republican morons have no idea what's coming...

You really should crawl out of that TV once in a while and take the air.
Progressive incrementalism on this subject has gathered enough inertia for the hell hounds to begin barking at their heels for more blood, as it eventually does in all of their endeavors.

Yes, there is a supermajority of almost two-thirds of American women claiming to be pro-choice when asked, but the opinion on what standard should govern that choice is by no means universal.
Many, if not most, still hold to the original Roe v Wade premise of safe, rare, and legal within the first 15 weeks, and have let the occasional push by local jurisdictions from time to time throughout the 80's and 90's to 20 weeks and beyond pass by with little notice.

The new century has seen the Nazi sympathizing ethnic cleansing spirit of Margaret Sanger rise from the depths and take hold again as Planned Parenthood desperately tries to expand its purview into the post natal realm, reinventing, or more accurately resetting itself to its original Mengele sense of decorum.
We have surpassed all other liberal democracies in the latitude given to American practitioners, and are only surpassed by China in the amount of human life summarily liquidated per annum as an inconvenience.
Even staunch feminists are beginning to wrinkle their noses at the faint odor of sulphur, and are taking new stock of what was supposed to be a sacrament for women's rights now degenerating into a mindless blood ritual of ideological greed.

All of that being said, my take on the issue is as simple as arithmetic.
You are pro-choice? Fine.
You want to exercise total control of your body?
Well of course you do. It is only natural.

However, if we are going to be completely honest about this and perform the proper order of operations, we have to start at the actual beginning of the equation.
At the choice you made to set aside your control that put you in the crosshairs of the debate to begin with because you believe you are entitled to a consequence free lifestyle.

Circulationem Pecunia and Diaperland

Informed consent wrote:Neither do you.
Progressive incrementalism on this subject has gathered enough inertia for the hell hounds to begin barking at their heels for more blood, as it eventually does in all of their endeavors.

Yes, there is a supermajority of almost two-thirds of American women claiming to be pro-choice when asked, but the opinion on what standard should govern that choice is by no means universal.
Many, if not most, still hold to the original Roe v Wade premise of safe, rare, and legal within the first 15 weeks, and have let the occasional push by local jurisdictions from time to time throughout the 80's and 90's to 20 weeks and beyond pass by with little notice.

The new century has seen the Nazi sympathizing ethnic cleansing spirit of Margaret Sanger rise from the depths and take hold again as Planned Parenthood desperately tries to expand its purview into the post natal realm, reinventing, or more accurately resetting itself to its original Mengele sense of decorum.
We have surpassed all other liberal democracies in the latitude given to American practitioners, and are only surpassed by China in the amount of human life summarily liquidated per annum as an inconvenience.
Even staunch feminists are beginning to wrinkle their noses at the faint odor of sulphur, and are beginning take new stock of what was supposed to be a sacrament for women's rights now degenerating into a mindless blood ritual of ideological greed.

All of that being said, my take on the issue is as simple as arithmetic.
You are pro-choice? Fine.
You want to exercise total control of your body?
Well of course you do. It is only natural.

However, if we are going to be completely honest about this and perform the proper order of operations, we have to start at the actual beginning of the equation.
At the choice you made to set aside your control that put you in the crosshairs of the debate to begin with because you believe you are entitled to a consequence free lifestyle.

Of course, the opinion on the standard is not universal. What is universal is opposition to the total ban which is the admitted goal of the GOP. Republicans could actually win on some compromise position, but the whole point is that they don't want to compromise and perhaps lack the credibility to even do so.

Informed consent

Midlands wrote:Of course, the opinion on the standard is not universal. What is universal is opposition to the total ban which is the admitted goal of the GOP. Republicans could actually win on some compromise position, but the whole point is that they don't want to compromise and perhaps lack the credibility to even do so.

False argument couched in nothing but sentiment.
Total ban has never been the goal, and if you hang around enough GOP blue bloods for five seconds you will find that they are mostly pro-choice and turn their nose up and try desperately to ignore the unwashed pro-life rubes populating much of their constituency.

The point was to put the issue back in its proper place as a subject of individual state consideration, and undo the judicially legislated creation of a right and federal mandate out of whole cloth that has no constitutional foundation.
Incredibly poor precedent that has inspired nothing but institutional chaos throughout the last half century.

Informed consent wrote:False argument couched in nothing but sentiment.
Total ban has never been the goal, and if you hang around enough GOP blue bloods for five seconds you will find that they are mostly pro-choice and turn their nose up and try desperately to ignore the unwashed pro-life rubes populating much of their constituency.

The point was to put the issue back in its proper place as a subject of individual state consideration, and undo the judicially legislated creation of a right and federal mandate out of whole cloth that has no constitutional foundation.
Incredibly poor precedent that has inspired nothing but institutional chaos throughout the last half century.

I'm not talking about "blue bloods". The activists did not march, organize, volunteer, donate and vote for half a century to put the issue for consideration by individual states. They always wanted to end abortion and said so openly. Look, I want to end abortion too, but I don't support bans. Stalin banned abortion but it was still widely available. If Stalin could not end abortion, nobody can. You can only reduce abortion by winning hearts and minds, one woman at a time. And over the years I've donated thousands of dollars to that cause. So I know what many abortion opponents want: to use government power to end abortion. Look what many states are already doing - banning abortion. Some people already say they want a nationwide ban (so much for "returning abortion to the states"). A large part of the Republican establishment may not actually want that, but they are too afraid to admit that for half a century they just cynically used the cover of Roe v. Wade to milk abortion opponents for donations and drag them to the polls (often having them vote against their own economic interests) without any intention to actually do anything to reduce abortion.

Furthermore, this came at the worst possible time for Republicans. Kevin McCarthy has no credibility whatsoever after his U-turn on January 6 and the release of his recorded conversations. So nobody will believe him if he pledges that when and if he's the Speaker, he won't allow any vote on any nationwide abortion restrictions - and he'll probably just reduce Republican turnout in the midterms.

Informed consent

Midlands wrote:I'm not talking about "blue bloods". The activists did not march, organize, volunteer, donate and vote for half a century to put the issue for consideration by individual states. They always wanted to end abortion and said so openly. Look, I want to end abortion too, but I don't support bans. Stalin banned abortion but it was still widely available. If Stalin could not end abortion, nobody can. You can only reduce abortion by winning hearts and minds, one woman at a time. And over the years I've donated thousands of dollars to that cause. So I know what many abortion opponents want: to use government power to end abortion. Look what many states are already doing - banning abortion. Some people already say they want a nationwide ban (so much for "returning abortion to the states"). A large part of the Republican establishment may not actually want that, but they are too afraid to admit that for half a century they just cynically used the cover of Roe v. Wade to milk abortion opponents for donations and drag them to the polls (often having them vote against their own economic interests) without any intention to actually do anything to reduce abortion.

Furthermore, this came at the worst possible time for Republicans. Kevin McCarthy has no credibility whatsoever after his U-turn on January 6 and the release of his recorded conversations. So nobody will believe him if he pledges that when and if he's the Speaker, he won't allow any vote on any nationwide abortion restrictions - and he'll probably just reduce Republican turnout in the midterms.

Well, if years of voting Republican has taught me anything, it is that the elected and electors are rarely of similar mind on anything, and you should count yourself lucky if they just manage to stay out of your way.
Which as bad as that sounds, is ironically indicative of a big tent all inclusive party that is not trying to press gang you into indentured service aboard the DNC Victimhood.
There are times when I want to give up on them, but just enough of them with sparks of the original abolitionist spirit take the stage and rekindle my efforts at grass root reform.

You and I are agreed on bans.
I do not like them at all, because they all too often spawn unintended consequences that just fubar the issue, and everything else around it.

Whatever your opinion on Roe v Wade, if avoiding an arbitrary federal mandate for or against, and making it a proper federal issue by making Congress sit down on the hot seat and pass a legitimate bill, then Roe v Wade had to go.

Meryk

Informed consent wrote:Well, if years of voting Republican has taught me anything, it is that the elected and electors are rarely of similar mind on anything, and you should count yourself lucky if they just manage to stay out of your way.
Which as bad as that sounds, is ironically indicative of a big tent all inclusive party that is not trying to press gang you into indentured service aboard the DNC Victimhood.
There are times when I want to give up on them, but just enough of them with sparks of the original abolitionist spirit take the stage and rekindle my efforts at grass root reform.

You and I are agreed on bans.
I do not like them at all, because they all too often spawn unintended consequences that just fubar the issue, and everything else around it.

Whatever your opinion on Roe v Wade, if avoiding an arbitrary federal mandate for or against, and making it a proper federal issue by making Congress sit down on the hot seat and pass a legitimate bill, then Roe v Wade had to go.

Are you kidding?! For over a decade the entire Republican identity consisted of victimhood. People don't vote for them unless they consider themselves victims. You know, victims of globalism, of oppression of whites or Christians, of the Left, of political correctness, of the wokeism, of George Soros, of Dr. Fauci and what have you. The GOP does not even have a platform. Seriously, they did not publish one at the last national convention. They define themselves solely by who and what they hate. It's a cult of victimhood. Did you read the famous 1940 essay "Who goes Nazi"? It is very insightful and explains that happy people don't go Nazi. Well, happy people don't vote for Trump either.

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Informed consent

Corporate fat cats wrote:Oh boy, this is Canada in a nutshell. I've seen welfare "working" in Canada, and the people who recieved the money just spent it on weed, actual marijuana plants, and their rent. They didn't get a job, and just sat on their welfare revenue stream, happy as a clam.

The UK is notorious for having multi-generational households living in the same public home for decades, each new branch of the tree going straight to the draw as they come of age with not one having spent one day gainfully employed at anytime in the last fifty or more years.

What I grew up with in the US was not much better at times.
That system tried to cynically define itself as "father" and condescendingly tried to paint the value and purpose of black women into a sick and tragic corner.

Kalihnagara

i’m an ELCA protestant christian, and i’m wondering why other christins are so hateful

Cassinia wrote:i’m an ELCA protestant christian, and i’m wondering why other christins are so hateful

They are just people and people are assholes. It doesn't matter your race, gender,sex, sexuality, or religion they are assholes

Cassinia and Kalihnagara

Corporate fat cats wrote:That's what the idea with welfare is, but good luck trying to screen every single person to see, "if they're hardworking citizens," without government taxation for funds going through the roof. It's a nice idea, but an impractical one in practice. Welfare is a slippery slope.

Hungary does it well.

Those that feel no sense of duty to the less fortunate are selfish and evil, while the less fortunate that feel no duty to better themselves are just as selfish and evil. In either case rabid individualism is the root cause. The wealthy tend to bask in their success at the expense of everyone else, while some in poverty leech on the the welfare system like it is an infinite resource. Both are bad for society and should be fought at all costs.

Midlands wrote:Are you kidding?! For over a decade the entire Republican identity consisted of victimhood. People don't vote for them unless they consider themselves victims. You know, victims of globalism, of oppression of whites or Christians, of the Left, of political correctness, of the wokeism, of George Soros, of Dr. Fauci and what have you. The GOP does not even have a platform. Seriously, they did not publish one at the last national convention. They define themselves solely by who and what they hate. It's a cult of victimhood. Did you read the famous 1940 essay "Who goes Nazi"? It is very insightful and explains that happy people don't go Nazi. Well, happy people don't vote for Trump either.

and you think the Democrats aren't a Victim Cult as well !?

the Democratic Voters are Victims of Capitalism, of "White Supremacists" being Judged by Christians, of the Police, Mean Words and "Hate Speech", of Warren Buffet and the Koch Brothers, and of Course Donald Trump.

Neither Side In the United States is Happy, the Situation is a Powder Keg. but your so Isolated form the Plebs that you Either Can't or Won't See it.

Corporate fat cats, Informed consent, Meryk, Kalihnagara, and 1 otherDiaperland

Divided Wastelands of America wrote:and you think the Democrats aren't a Victim Cult as well !?

the Democratic Voters are Victims of Capitalism, of "White Supremacists" being Judged by Christians, of the Police, Mean Words and "Hate Speech", of Warren Buffet and the Koch Brothers, and of Course Donald Trump.

Neither Side In the United States is Happy, the Situation is a Powder Keg. but your so Isolated form the Plebs that you Either Can't or Won't See it.

USA today is the aftermath of parents spoiling their children lmao

Informed consent

Divided Wastelands of America wrote:and you think the Democrats aren't a Victim Cult as well !?

the Democratic Voters are Victims of Capitalism, of "White Supremacists" being Judged by Christians, of the Police, Mean Words and "Hate Speech", of Warren Buffet and the Koch Brothers, and of Course Donald Trump.

Neither Side In the United States is Happy, the Situation is a Powder Keg. but your so Isolated form the Plebs that you Either Can't or Won't See it.

The Democrats actually have a positive programs. You know, things they want to do, not just a list of what they hate. Now, I actually disagree with a lot of things they want to do. But Republicans don't even have any positive program. They don't offer any vision for the future.

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