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It's so refreshing to see a pro-capitalist who actually understands what communism is rather than coming out with the knee-jer "durr communism bad because Stalin."
By the way, it's me again Divine Egypt. This is yet another nation of mine. :P
DaPiFanatic, Free market buisnesses, and Veautopia
Anyone farm cards?
DaPiFanatic and Free market buisnesses
I thought His Inmensity was everlasting. Anyways, thanks for sharing, we'll be prepared for that day, and may the Obese One gets fatter.
Delta Vega IV, Treadwellia, DaPiFanatic, Free market buisnesses, and 1 otherVeautopia
<<< Gives government money to the automobile manufacturers. "This'll give employment a boost" says I.
Result: car-manufacturing sector grows but unemployment gets worse.
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DaPiFanatic and Free market buisnesses
As one of the most successful capitalist economist said "In the Long Run We Are All Dead". And that it is not a problem it is a feature. The core problem of the capitalist economies is that they work mainly by sweeping the problems under the rug, that nice label of externalities.
Of course it could run well for a time a few centuries, but it come to an end when it crash into the ecological and societal stress limits.
(And no, the space colonization gateway it is not the complete answer, with an exponential grow you are going to make the problem worse or fall into the Jevon's Paradox. Nonetheless even Heinleinian characters like Musk or late defenders of Gerard K O'Neill like Bezos are arriving half a century late after capitalism broke free of the social contract, (in the seventies during Nixon Era embracing the Austrian and Chicago non sense), that make it work (at least in the developed world).
Capitalism has already condemned us. The question is if we can limit the damage and rebuild afterwards.
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Ludwig Orsonov Mmphs in approval
Treadwellia, DaPiFanatic, Free market buisnesses, and French roman republic
What concerns me the about a stateless society would be lack of order. I believe that specialisation is the very essence of what makes a civilisation. I am also not too fond of letting technology develop without restriction, Automation for example, I am not afraid of it or afraid of it stealing jobs, but I believe that products made entirely by workers are special and unique. I am also against the rampant materialism that seems to be spreading like a wildfire, so much so that I have been trying to join a monastery for two years now but I can't really find one that isn't Catholic. A life of simplicity and manual labour is my ideal life, without the threat of being arrested for not paying taxes and not even needing money at all.
Yes, I know some of the things I said contradict each other, that's because I am not against a stateless and classless society. I am simply concerned about enforcement of basic laws like "don't kill other people", there will always be people seeking to harm others, and I do believe that there should be some way of enforcing basic laws similar to example I gave, and I do believe that people should be the ones to do that.
And I only support colonising other Planets because it just cool, and because the Earth will die at some point no matter what we do and I want humanity to still exist when it happens. We, as a species, might have been born here but I don't think we should die here.
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i got a free cookie from my mom
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Tubbius loves cookies.
Guiness Freaks, DaPiFanatic, Free market buisnesses, and Tameside
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Tubbius frowns. He likes our Discord!
Guiness Freaks, DaPiFanatic, Free market buisnesses, Veautopia, and 1 otherTameside
To jump in, there are many non Catholic monastic orders. Try Buddhist or Hindu ones. (The Advaita Vedanta school of Hindu philosophy has a number of monastic communities spread throughout my home state of California, one is in the next neighborhood over from myself.)
Also with stateless societies, lack of hierarchy =/= lack of order. I think that might be a logical fallacy, as hierarchy and order are not related. You can have "order" which is hard to define, with or without a hierarchy or state.
Guiness Freaks, DaPiFanatic, and Free market buisnesses
Are you also one of those?
Probably spent it on robots.
So you also think WW4 will occur due to unemployment approaching 100% from automation?
I'm pretty sure that's just a specific version of communism. A communist economy and a government could coexist, just like with capitalism. Also, there will always be a market for hand crafted goods, no matter how much automation has occurred, because of people you.
Personally, I think that some form of state forming is inevitable. Stuff like people not killing each other is something most of us want, and a collective effort to prevent theft and killing is logical. States are formed out of formalized societal contracts.
Aigania, New vedan, Guiness Freaks, Hraban, and 2 othersThe isles of great britain and ireland, and DaPiFanatic
I think you skipped a world war there
Guiness Freaks, DaPiFanatic, Free market buisnesses, and Veautopia
WW3 will be caused by mass overpopulation and starvation following the creation of eternal youth. Eternal youth should occur this century and WW3 should occur within the next 200 years unless we regulate reproduction, which I don't see happening pre-war. I'm not actually sure what a post-WW3 world would like, hence WW4 happening by end of millennia. I hope to survive the Third World War, but making it past the fourth might be tricky, as I expect that to be a global revolution caused by mass starvation and possible dictatorship/oligarchy created by aforementioned near 100% unemployment rate from automation, so living to WW4 might be difficult, even with the advent of eternal youth.
The "by the end of millennia" is to compensate for the global state of chaos I expect to occur within the next 200 years possibly causing A) communism, which would impede automation (hence why I'm a capitalist), B) widespread technophobia inhibiting human development, or C) we nuke ourselves into the Stone Age.
If our corporate overlords are benevolent we may skip past WW4 straight into futuristic communist utopia.
Hello.
Treadwellia, Guiness Freaks, DaPiFanatic, and Free market buisnesses
Lies. It'll happen in 2077, caused by the US invasion of China getting close to Beijing, and the Chinese panicking and deciding to launch.
Cianlandia, New vedan, Guiness Freaks, DaPiFanatic, and 1 otherFree market buisnesses
But WHY is the US invading China? Also, I said within the next 200 years. My personal prediction is about 90 years from now.
Guiness Freaks and Veautopia
No, I'm a socialist.
Guiness Freaks and Free market buisnesses
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