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The tajo league wrote:

Of course it stays true to the definition, :P , because it is more like an umbrella definition. As I said in the RMB post.

If Handal Ands has criticism, you as writer of this bill/treaty, must change that now :)

Well, according to Wikipedia, there are amicable and colonial protectorates. My idea is that amicable protectorates, as the name implies through "amicable," are more conducive to our long-term goals than actual colonies.

Also, while Handal Ands had criticisms, he never proposed solutions in our private communications, and I frankly think the bill is fine as it is, with the exception of the one issue I concede to Handal. If Handal wants to change the bill because he doesn't like it, he can debate it here and propose the changes. Moreover, I encourage all of you to rework and rewrite the bill as you please, so that you won't be unhappy with the final version. After all, if one has a complaint to make, then presumably one should also have a revision in mind. With that said, you all have two days to act on the bill if you are unhappy with it.

The free mutant republic of genosha wrote:

Well, according to Wikipedia, there are amicable and colonial protectorates. My idea is that amicable protectorates, as the name implies through "amicable," are more conducive to our long-term goals than actual colonies.

Also, while Handal Ands had criticisms, he never proposed solutions in our private communications, and I frankly think the bill is fine as it is, with the exception of the one issue I concede to Handal. If Handal wants to change the bill because he doesn't like it, he can debate it here and propose the changes. Moreover, I encourage all of you to rework and rewrite the bill as you please, so that you won't be unhappy with the final version. After all, if one has a complaint to make, then presumably one should also have a revision in mind. With that said, you all have two days to act on the bill if you are unhappy with it.

I will propose my amendments later tonight The free mutant republic of genosha, patience is a virtue my friend.

Handal Ands wrote:

Thoughts & potential amendments below:

1) I believe that the UAS Resident Minister should possess: Border Control, Embassies, and Communication. The addition of appearance doesn’t mean much, and seems to only be included to make this bill seem as if the Resident Minister has some influence in the region.

2) I cannot support a bill that guarantees that our region will come to the defense of our protectorate regions. If this program is successful and the UAS has a multitude of protectorates, 1- I don’t think we would be able to guarantee their protection and 2- It spreads our own region too thin and potentially leaves us vulnerable.

3) I would like for the Chairman to be able to edit this policy anytime with the general consent of the cabinet.

4) Lastly, I also think a 4 to 7 day hold should be enacted on any immigrant nation before they are granted full citizenship/state council (if WA nation) status.

1,3, and 4 are good. But in what way do we have a protectorate if we can't protect it. Selling other regions on this has to be like selling a product. You have to convince the future protectorate region that they want or need our interference in their government. If we can't somehow arrange to protect our subordinate regions, why would they consent to be ruled by us? This is why I intend to primarily present founderless regions with this.

Handal Ands wrote:

Well I'm glad you agree with me on some positions; however, I do not need you to lecture me on "selling other regions". We should be able to convince other regions based on our region's success and what we have to offer in helping them grow. We do not need to end up protecting founderless region after region, as we cannot be the "policemen of the world".

We can remove explicit mention of military defense from the bill/treaty, but since our position as suzerain would be indefensible without it, I will continue the talks with the LWU mercenaries.

Handal Ands wrote:

This is ending up sounding more like a NATO type style defense deal...

Not quite. Instead of mutual military aid, my idea was that we could act as middlemen to a recognized and prestigious military power in NS to defend them from raiders.

Anyone can contact defenders like XKI. They've made themselves somewhat like the NS police.

But if we can offer the same thing but with the police substituted for by a profit-motivated party that is responsible for the defense of exclusively our regions, we have an angle, since mercenaries would get to these invaded regions more quickly.

Handal Ands wrote:

I still dont believe we should guarentee, but rather attempt to.

And that is the concession I am willing to make in order to make support for the bill unanimous.

Handal Ands wrote:

And you will accept my other amendments?

I actually agree with them on principle. This was all drafted up for the CON, however, and I wanted NPR's support.

Now I realize though that CON is not that important to us. They will join us when they've "woken up and smelled the coffee," so to speak. Their members are declining. They've degenerated into a dictatorial government like we predicted would happen without the bastion of the IF. And they've been reduced to voting on trivialities like a medal of honor or embassy requests that they don't intend to take advantage of.

What's more important is the authority that the legislation bestows unto the UAS in the deal, like you originally observed.

With that said, edit the bill to your liking and I'll look at it.

The free mutant republic of genosha wrote:

I actually agree with them on principle. This was all drafted up for the CON, however, and I wanted NPR's support.

Now I realize though that CON is not that important to us. They will join us when they've "woken up and smelled the coffee," so to speak. Their members are declining. They've degenerated into a dictatorial government like we predicted would happen without the bastion of the IF. And they've been reduced to voting on trivialities like a medal of honor or embassy requests that they don't intend to take advantage of.

What's more important is the authority that the legislation bestows unto the UAS in the deal, like you originally observed.

With that said, edit the bill to your liking and I'll look at it.

1. The government of any region that submits to official protectorateship under the UAS will accept the appointment of a Union of Allied States Resident Minister to possess powers of Communications, Embassies, and Border Control within said region.
2. This Resident Minister shall be recognized as a foreign diplomatic adviser to the WA Delegate and/or Founder of the protectorate on behalf of the Union of Allied States, with the authority to give official consultation to the protectorate's foreign affairs minister (or in the absence of one, the WA Delegate and/or Founder) regarding policy toward regions where the protectorate holds embassies.
3. The UAS Resident Minister shall communicate any knowledge of an emergency situation concerning the mutual safety of the Union of Allied States and the protectorate and potentially give an official recommendation for a regional password to the WA Delegate and/or Founder of the protectorate to implement in such states of emergency.
4. The continuous maintenance of the UAS Resident Minister in the protectorate shall be seen as a de jure statement of alliance and diplomatic amicability between the protectorate and the UAS and constitute a furthering of cordial inter-regional relations.
5. The UAS will be obligated to come to the protectorate's defense or otherwise call its allies to the protectorate's defense in the event of an emergency situation concerning the protectorate and an extra-regional invading force, for as long as the UAS Resident Minister is maintained in the protectorate.
6. The protectorate must close embassies or refuse to establish embassies with any nation presently regarded as the enemy of the UAS. As of the drafting of this proposal, the UAS has no officially regarded enemy regions.
7. His Supreme Excellency the Chairman of the UAS State Council, South Waterford, or His Excellency the President of the Union of Allied States shall appoint the UAS Resident Minister to serve in the protectorate, or recall him at his discretion.
8. The appointment of the UAS Resident Minister shall not interfere with the internal governance, politics, or constitutional guarantees of the protectorate in any way not already prescribed within the stipulations of this proposal.
9. The continuous maintenance of the UAS Resident Minister in the protectorate shall obligate the IF Intelligence Service of the Union of Allied States to provide the WA Delegate and/or Founder of the protectorate with any intel or black ops assistance needed to ascertain the future safety of the protectorate in the event of an emergency situation.
10. The presence of the UAS Resident Minister shall classify any region wherein one is installed as a UAS Protectorate Region, entitling any resident of the UAS or the protectorate full citizenship status after four (4) to seven (7) days in the other region upon emigration with intent of permanent resettlement. Consequently, any resident of the protectorate or UAS banned from entry in the other region at the time of the ratification of this proposal will be permitted to reenter at his leisure. Any unbanned resident of the UAS or the protectorate region will be permitted to fully participate in the other region's elections, with the exception of puppet/vassal states and, in the instance of the WA Delegacy, non-WA nations.
11. If 2/3 of the population of the protectorate democratically agrees in a poll that the UAS Resident Minister and the region's status as a UAS Protectorate Region should be withdrawn, then the Chairman of the State Council and/or the President will be henceforth obligated to recall the Resident Minister and restore full sovereignty back to the former protectorate region.
12. This policy may be amended by the Chairman of the UAS with the general consent of the UAS cabinet.

The free mutant republic of genosha wrote:

What about the removal of the articles making ourselves legally responsible for their defense?

1. The government of any region that submits to official protectorateship under the UAS will accept the appointment of a Union of Allied States Resident Minister to possess powers of Communications, Embassies, and Border Control within said region.
2. This Resident Minister shall be recognized as a foreign diplomatic adviser to the WA Delegate and/or Founder of the protectorate on behalf of the Union of Allied States, with the authority to give official consultation to the protectorate's foreign affairs minister (or in the absence of one, the WA Delegate and/or Founder) regarding policy toward regions where the protectorate holds embassies.
3. The UAS Resident Minister shall communicate any knowledge of an emergency situation concerning the mutual safety of the Union of Allied States and the protectorate and potentially give an official recommendation for a regional password to the WA Delegate and/or Founder of the protectorate to implement in such states of emergency.
4. The continuous maintenance of the UAS Resident Minister in the protectorate shall be seen as a de jure statement of alliance and diplomatic amicability between the protectorate and the UAS and constitute a furthering of cordial inter-regional relations.
5. In the event of an emergency, the UAS will attempt to guarantee* the protectorate's safety & defense, either through a UAS defense team or through its allies for as long as the UAS Resident Minister is maintained in the protectorate.
6. The protectorate must close embassies or refuse to establish embassies with any nation presently regarded as the enemy of the UAS. As of the drafting of this proposal, the UAS has no officially regarded enemy regions.
7. His Supreme Excellency the Chairman of the UAS State Council, South Waterford, or His Excellency the President of the Union of Allied States shall appoint the UAS Resident Minister to serve in the protectorate, or recall him at his discretion.
8. The appointment of the UAS Resident Minister shall not interfere with the internal governance, politics, or constitutional guarantees of the protectorate in any way not already prescribed within the stipulations of this proposal.
9. The continuous maintenance of the UAS Resident Minister in the protectorate shall obligate the IF Intelligence Service of the Union of Allied States to provide the WA Delegate and/or Founder of the protectorate with any intel or black ops assistance needed to ascertain the future safety of the protectorate in the event of an emergency situation.
10. The presence of the UAS Resident Minister shall classify any region wherein one is installed as a UAS Protectorate Region, entitling any resident of the UAS or the protectorate full citizenship status after four (4) to seven (7) days in the other region upon emigration with intent of permanent resettlement. Consequently, any resident of the protectorate or UAS banned from entry in the other region at the time of the ratification of this proposal will be permitted to reenter at his leisure. Any unbanned resident of the UAS or the protectorate region will be permitted to fully participate in the other region's elections, with the exception of puppet/vassal states and, in the instance of the WA Delegacy, non-WA nations.
11. If 2/3 of the population of the protectorate democratically agrees in a poll that the UAS Resident Minister and the region's status as a UAS Protectorate Region should be withdrawn, then the Chairman of the State Council and/or the President will be henceforth obligated to recall the Resident Minister and restore full sovereignty back to the former protectorate region.
12. This policy may be amended by the Chairman of the UAS with the general consent of the UAS cabinet.

*It is important to note that while an attempt will be made, there is always the possibility that the UAS and its allies will not be able to fully guarantee the safety of a region through defense forces. This only make it more important for the UAS Resident Minister to have the power of Border Control.

Should we add a clause to President that if the holder of the office becomes inactive, the person shall automatically be impeached from office?

Just to remind ourselves and maintain order, this is the order in which we should vote on the upcoming legislation post-election, to say nothing of debating it:

- Protectorate Policy Bill (already debated and revised)
- Constitutional Amendments (either The tajo league's version or if not then my First and Second Amendments to the Constitution; depends who gets to lodging it on the floor officially first)
- Silicon land's bill for anti-defection
- My bill establishing boundaries on the time interval that a bill or amendment can be debated before vote.

The free mutant republic of genosha it seems as though your Protectorate Policy Bill requires an active military. Before we put that poll up, I believe we need to actually form a military to allow the bill to function the way it says it does.