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Ooh! Let me join in! Or not, it really doesn't matter where white European Zionists should specifically be allowed to belong.
Speaking as a Christian, God promised Canaan to the Israelites in the Old Testament, but later expanded the definition of Israelite to include anyone that followed Him through Jesus.
It shouldn't matter where people originally belong, any country that ever got involved in an expansionist war or colonialism has already messed that up for everyone, globalism has left people scattered all over the place!
I feel like I belong where I live, but my grandmother's Pakistani and my grandfather's Scottish, does that mean I should live in some random country with food like a Haggis Balti and Hairy Coo Naan?
I don't think so
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I've never seen someone having an argument without using any swear words. I like it
I'm a scientist. Swear words don't work in scientific arguments.
I think a reasonable person could assume "wherever in Europe they came from". The prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, for example, was born Benjamin Mileikowski in Warsaw, Poland. And regardless of whether or not most of them were born in Europe, most of them are not Palestinian, and are settlers on Palestinian land. Hell, 97.2% of Jews living in Israel don't even have any ancient Hebrew DNA. How can you claim it's the land of your ancestors when you don't have any of the DNA of those ancestors? You know who does have DNA from those ancestors? Palestinians.
Where did you get this nonsense?! Bibi was born in Tel Aviv (and in 1949 there were hardly any Jews in Warsaw). Even his mother was born in Israel. It was his father who was born in Warsaw. But unlike the PM, the vast majority of Palestinians were not born in Israel (within the 1949 armistice line). So you believe that people born in some land should be kicked out of there by people who weren't simply on the basis of where their respective ancestors were born?
I strongly suspect that your "97.2%" claim is as accurate as your claim of Bibi being born in Poland. But that's not really important, so I won't even ask you for a peer-reviewed citation. Since you mention Poland, have you actually asked Poles whether they actually want to accept millions of immigrants on their grounds that some of their ancestors were once born in Poland?
This idea is problematic. But it isn't the problem of the Palestinians or their supporters. It is the organising basis of Zionism. They claim that Jews were indigenous to Palestine, and thus all non-Jews must eventually be expelled. This thinking, which was implanted into many of the Zionist settlers, led them to commit the original sin of the conflict: the Nakba.
I know very little about Zionism, but I doubt that they (i.e. mainstream Zionists rather than some extremist outliers) actually claimed that all non-Kews must eventually be expelled. It is my understanding that the movement's goal was to create a Jewish state. And that goal was fulfilled in 1948 (incidentally, Israel is older than most countries in the world - for that matter, most of currently existing European countries did not exist at the start of the 20th century, and a third of them did not exist at the time of Israel's creation).
Do you realize that the Nakba was the original sin of the Arabs who decided to annihilate Israel instead of creating an Arab state next to it as outlined in the UN resolution creating Israel? A Google search instantly finds the original quote in which this term first appears: "When the battle broke out, our public diplomacy began to speak of our imaginary victories, to put the Arab public to sleep and talk of the ability to overcome and win easily – until the Nakba happened…We must admit our mistakes…and recognize the extent of our responsibility for the disaster that is our lot." Oh, "our responsibility", eh? Do you really think that the Zionists deliberately chose not to negotiate creation of two countries side by side but to gamble with the one and only chance to achieve their goal and bet literally everything on their ability to defeat several Arab states with combined population orders of magnitude greater than theirs?
The Zionists weren't too pleased with the resolution, And they did very little negotiating. The U.N. imposed the terms on both parties. Ben-Gurion himself was simultaneously happy and sad when the U.N. voted to partition Palestine into two states, Palestinian and Jewish. He was happy because "finally" Jews could have a "country" of their own. On the other hand, he was sad because they had "lost" almost half of Palestine, and because they would have to contend with a sizable Palestinian minority, well over 45% of the total population.
"In my heart, there was joy mixed with sadness: joy that the nations at last acknowledged that we are a nation with a state, and sadness that we lost half of the country, Judea and Samaria, and , in addition, that we [would] have [in our state] 400,000 [Palestinian] Arabs." (Righteous Victims, p. 190)
He had said this after he personally instructed the expulsion and destruction of Palestinian villages and urban homes during the Nakba. This is also to the admission of self-recounted Zionist history. According to Sefer Toldot Ha-Haganah, the official history of the Haganah, it clearly stated how Palestinian villages and populations should be dealt with. It stated:
"[Palestinian Arab] villages inside the Jewish state that resist 'should be destroyed .... and their inhabitants expelled beyond the borders of the Jewish state.' Meanwhile, 'Palestinian residents of the urban quarters which dominate access to or egress from towns should be expelled beyond the borders of the Jewish state in the event of their resistance.' " (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 178)
In a speech addressing the Zionist Action Committee on April 6, 1948, Ben-Gurion clearly stated that war was the preferred instrument in solving the "Arab demographic problem". He stated:
"We will not be able to win the war if we do not, during the war, populate upper and lower, eastern and western Galilee, the Negev and Jerusalem area, even if only in an artificial way, in a military way. . . . I believe that war will also bring in its wake a great change in the distribution of [Palestinian] Arab population." (Benny Morris, p. 181 & Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 181)
When Ezra Danin, a Cabinet member, proposed installing a puppet Palestinian Government in the Triangle area (northwest of the occupied West Bank), Ben-Gurion had impatiently declared on October 21, 1948, that Palestinians in Israel were good for one thing, running away. He said:
"The Arabs of the land of Israel [Palestinians] have only one function left to them -- to run away... We must do everything to insure they (the Palestinians) never do return... The old will die and the young will forget." (Benny Morris, p. 218)
Thousands of more quotes show that 'compulsory population transfer' (a euphemism for ethnic cleansing) was the bread and butter of the Zionist movement. And they had organised to execute this via their illegal militias, namely the Haganah, Lehi, and the Irgun. All of which were terrorist organisations according to British imperial authorities.
This is amazing mental gymnastics. So it was somehow the Arabs' fault that they were kicked out of their homes, killed, had their belongings stolen, and expelled? They didn't kick themselves out.
The truth is that the Palestinians proposed a binational state for both Jews and Arabs in the 1920s and 1930s, but Zionists rejected it. Palestinians supported the conclusions of the Haycraft Commission of Inquiry in 1920, the Shaw Report, the White Paper of 1939, and a dozen other proposals. Even some Jews (non-Zionist) that made Aliyah were convinced of Arab peace plans. Shlomo Kaplansky is one example of a Jewish immigrant to Palestine who rejected a Jewish state, favouring a binational one. The International Zionist Labour Bund also voiced support for a binational Palestine, as opposed to a Jewish majority state.
From the experience of the typical Palestinian, say someone who had been kicked out of Jaffa and had several of their family members summarily executed by the Irgun, to take arms is the only logical response to the Nakba. It would make him no different to the American Indian or any of the anticolonial movements of the 20th century. How could this reaction not be understood as reasonable?
If a bunch of foreigners rocked up to a country; formed gangs and militias (Lehi, Irgun, the Haganah, etc.) that harassed, killed, and displaced people; and then had the nerve to declare independence - you'd be pretty furious at them too.
All of this, of course, is once again to the admission of Zionists, as Ben Gurion stated in an interview long after the Nakba:
”If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?” (Nahum Goldmann, The Jewish Paradox, p. 121-122)
Alarayon and Fornax Prime
Ok, this has gone off the rails…
Lets calm down a bit and settle this.
Here's a few cherries on top:
Martin Buber, Jewish Philosopher, addressed Prime Minister Ben Gurion on the moral character of the state of Israel with reference to the Arab refugees in March 1949: “We will have to face the reality that Israel is neither innocent, nor redemptive. And that in its creation, and expansion; we as Jews, have caused what we historically have suffered; a refugee population in Diaspora.”
Aba Eban (the Israeli Foreign Minister) stated arrogantly: ” If the General Assembly were to vote by 121 votes to 1 in favor of “Israel” returning to the armistice lines– (pre June 1967 borders) Israel would refuse to comply with the decision.” New York Times June 19, 1967.
“When we (followers of the prophetic Judaism) returned to Palestine…the majority of Jewish people preferred to learn from Hitler rather than from us.” Martin Buber, to a New York audience, Jewish Newsletter, June 2, 1958.
“Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I don’t blame you because geography books no longer exist, not only do the books not exist, .The Arab villages are not there either. Nahal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibat; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kfar Yehushu’a in the place of Tal al Shuman. There is not one single place that did not have a former Arab population.” Moshe Dayan’s address to the Technion, Haifa (as Quoted in Haaretz, April 4, 1969).
There's no such thing as too much evidence.
Well damn, there’s such thing as too much religious bias.
How many damn words are you gonna type…*scared*
Are u ok?
I find it extremely ironic that Zionist sympathisers accuse their critics of having a religious bias.
Damn, Israel ain’t that hot anymore.
YOU’VE JUST BROKE A NEW RECORD!: DISCOVER THAT PALESTINE (BUT NOT HAMAS) SUPPORTERS EXIST!
Damn, ZIONISM IS A POLITICAL BIAS you goober.
I am atheist btw.
How does it take u 8 minutes to respond rather than 4, or 3.
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