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The anarcho-capitalist lands of kool-aid wrote:
that's nationstates for ya. sometimes it makes no sense. remove income tax: tax increases.

Deregulation = Economic Output decreases

...what?

Kalihnagara

i am now an iron fist consumerist...

without autocracy

with same-sex marriage

what?

The anarcho-capitalist lands of kool-aid

Octal, I would like to run for Minister of Interior

Snorlaxia, Octal, The anarcho-capitalist lands of kool-aid, and Murc

Kalihnagara wrote:this is interesting, what if a robot wife is a better wife than a human one in the context of traditional marriage? would that count as degeneracy?

imagine this; guy got divorced after his wife's affair, but he got the child custody because she is a drunkard, and then he got himself a robot wife.

his children love it, it gives him good sex and everything is going well with the household, it doesn't cheat, and so does he.

wouldn't that be better and more moral than his previous human wife?

so basically a Robot Nanny and a Sex Doll in one ? if that's the Case then you'd be "Marrying" a Advanced Toaster.
or is it a Synthetic Human/Replicant that can be proven to be Sentient ? in that Case the Manufacturer is Playing God and the Consumer is Treading on Very Thin Ice.

Kalihnagara

Patoro wrote:I'm just going to jump in and answer it because I want to join in lol. I wouldn't use the word degeneracy more like weird even if someone got a traditional wife like robot or a feminist one I think it's weird and will lead to human extinctions. I think that is more likely to cause human extinctions than people trying to say same sex marriage should be illegal because it can lead to extinction which is goofy.

unless the Robot some how has Functioning Reproductive Organs although at that point it would be more of a Clone than a Robot...

Patoro, Corporate fat cats, and Kalihnagara

Informed consent

Divided Wastelands of America wrote:so basically a Robot Nanny and a Sex Doll in one ? if that's the Case then you'd be "Marrying" a Advanced Toaster.
or is it a Synthetic Human/Replicant that can be proven to be Sentient ? in that Case the Manufacturer is Playing God and the Consumer is Treading on Very Thin Ice.

Divided Wastelands of America wrote:unless the Robot some how has Functioning Reproductive Organs although at that point it would be more of a Clone than a Robot...

"More human than human."
- Tyrell Corporation

"Are you alive?"
"Yes."
"Prove it."
- Cylon Six to colonial officer on Armistice Station

Patoro, Corporate fat cats, and Kalihnagara

Kalihnagara

Divided Wastelands of America wrote:so basically a Robot Nanny and a Sex Doll in one ? if that's the Case then you'd be "Marrying" a Advanced Toaster.
or is it a Synthetic Human/Replicant that can be proven to be Sentient ? in that Case the Manufacturer is Playing God and the Consumer is Treading on Very Thin Ice.

yes to all your statement and questions.

and it doesn't matter if it is a clone or a robot, the point of this "thing" is that it is programmable.

this sounds ridiculously brute but I'm just being honest here, in the past, religion used to be programming device for women, unfortunately, religion today is unbinding, it has no power to program women to our likings. even modern islam can not be as subjugating to women as it used to be.

so now it is entirely up to technology to fill the gap for men who want submissive wife.

Divided Wastelands of America wrote:unless the Robot some how has Functioning Reproductive Organs although at that point it would be more of a Clone than a Robot...

true

Kalihnagara wrote:yes to all your statement and questions.

and it doesn't matter if it is a clone or a robot, the point of this "thing" is that it is programmable.

this sounds ridiculously brute but I'm just being honest here, in the past, religion used to be programming device for women, unfortunately, religion today is unbinding, it has no power to program women to our likings. even modern islam can not be as subjugating to women as it used to be.

so now it is entirely up to technology to fill the gap for men who want submissive wife.

The future is going to be like futurama

Corporate fat cats, Informed consent, and Kalihnagara

Informed consent

Patoro wrote:The future is going to be like futurama

Good news everyone!

Patoro, Corporate fat cats, and Kalihnagara

Corporate fat cats

Divided Wastelands of America wrote:unless the Robot some how has Functioning Reproductive Organs although at that point it would be more of a Clone than a Robot...

*Plays Temple March on loudspeaker*

Robot sex…
Human-AI marriage…

What an interesting convo I drop in on………

Patoro and Kalihnagara

Unida das americas

Circulationem Pecunia wrote:Opa, acabei de encontrar outro brasileiro?

Olá camarada

Kalihnagara wrote:yes to all your statement and questions.

and it doesn't matter if it is a clone or a robot, the point of this "thing" is that it is programmable.

this sounds ridiculously brute but I'm just being honest here, in the past, religion used to be programming device for women, unfortunately, religion today is unbinding, it has no power to program women to our likings. even modern islam can not be as subjugating to women as it used to be.

so now it is entirely up to technology to fill the gap for men who want submissive wife.

so you want to replace "Uppity" Women with "Behaved" Synthetic Women ? well at the current Birth Rate we might have too

but form a Traditional Religious (Southern Baptist) Point of View I'd rather avoid Opening Pandora's box on that. because what would stop those Laboratory's Creating Synthetic Males to Replace us ?

also I think that Problem will solve itself
with in 20 to 30 years. when all of the 20-30 year old Women who are Either Fat Blue Haired Feminazis reach their 50s-60s and Die form Weight Related Disease's. and the Ones that Basically Prostitute themselves on Only fans and Abort every child they conceive
become Infertile and Insane. and end up Killing themselves with Boxed Wine. and the "Career" women who are currently in their 40s and 50s end up Alone in their Old Age.
then maybe the Girls that are currently small children and the Next Generation will Finally see how Feminisms works out for them and decide to end the Experiment and go back to their Traditional Roles.

Gulf Oil and Kalihnagara

Divided Wastelands of America wrote:so you want to replace "Uppity" Women with "Behaved" Synthetic Women ? well at the current Birth Rate we might have too

but form a Traditional Religious (Southern Baptist) Point of View I'd rather avoid Opening Pandora's box on that. because what would stop those Laboratory's Creating Synthetic Males to Replace us ?

also I think that Problem will solve itself
with in 20 to 30 years. when all of the 20-30 year old Women who are Either Fat Blue Haired Feminazis reach their 50s-60s and Die form Weight Related Disease's. and the Ones that Basically Prostitute themselves on Only fans and Abort every child they conceive
become Infertile and Insane. and end up Killing themselves with Boxed Wine. and the "Career" women who are currently in their 40s and 50s end up Alone in their Old Age.
then maybe the Girls that are currently small children and the Next Generation will Finally see how Feminisms works out for them and decide to end the Experiment and go back to their Traditional Roles.

This is a based analysis, but unfortunately, here ini my country, the experiment has just began.

Kalihnagara wrote:This is a based analysis, but unfortunately, here ini my country, the experiment has just began.

well you fella's need to nip it in the bud Now or Prepare for 90-120 years of Societal Hell.

:/

Gulf Oil and Kalihnagara

Kalihnagara

Divided Wastelands of America wrote:well you fella's need to nip it in the bud Now or Prepare for 90-120 years of Societal Hell.

:/

political islam here is doing that, but their power is dwindling because of, you guessed it, the internet.

you said you're a southern baptist, interesting to know because at everyday level, there are almost no difference between everyday indonesian muslim and southern US baptists in terms of social and spiritual interaction, there are baptists here as well, but ironically, they're somewhat liberal.

i guess the memes are right, in the end it is christians and muslims are against the alphabet people.

Kalihnagara wrote:political islam here is doing that, but their power is dwindling because of, you guessed it, the internet.

you said you're a southern baptist, interesting to know because at everyday level, there are almost no difference between everyday indonesian muslim and southern US baptists in terms of social and spiritual interaction, there are baptists here as well, but ironically, they're somewhat liberal.

i guess the memes are right, in the end it is christians and muslims are against the alphabet people.

Id imagine any Baptists in Indonesia where not converted by Southern Baptists Missionaries, but Likely instead a more "Liberal" Sect of Baptist.
the Different Division of Islam are similar to the Different Divisions of Christianity,
you guys have major Rival Divisions like Sunni vs Shia, with other minor divisions like Ibadi being distinct form either. we Christian's have Catholicism vs Protestantism, with the Orthodox Church being distinct.
and of course both of Divisions have their own Sects Protestants have Lutheranism. Baptists (which has its own Sects), Calvinists, and to many more to list, while Sunni Islam has its own Divisions like Shafi'i and Hanbali.

Kalihnagara

Divided Wastelands of America wrote:-click-

Ah yes, the hambali salafists, my mother is one of them, it reminds me of the day i moved out when you said it.

i live with my wife now, we got back to a syncretic belief of kejawen, which is a fusion of islam and hinduism with the characteristics of our ethnic wisdom.

when talking about islam in Indonesia, it is not black and white between islamic jurisprudences. perhaps the best comparison is catholic diaspora in central America where local beliefs are still in place, i brought this up because when we put in parallel between calvinism and shafi'i-sm, they both still have strict corridor within their respective theological narrative.

but then again, the majority of muslims in Indonesia are reminiscent of southern baptists.

Kalihnagara wrote:Ah yes, the hambali salafists, my mother is one of them, it reminds me of the day i moved out when you said it.

i live with my wife now, we got back to a syncretic belief of kejawen, which is a fusion of islam and hinduism with the characteristics of our ethnic wisdom.

when talking about islam in Indonesia, it is not black and white between islamic jurisprudences. perhaps the best comparison is catholic diaspora in central America where local beliefs are still in place, i brought this up because when we put in parallel between calvinism and shafi'i-sm, they both still have strict corridor within their respective theological narrative.

but then again, the majority of muslims in Indonesia are reminiscent of southern baptists.

yeah Conservative Christian's and Conservative Muslims have a lot more in common than our Liberal Godless Overlords want people to Realize. personally I Hope that one day Conservative Christian's and Muslims will Unite as equals to Destroy they who Can Not be Named on the Internet. and Restore Gods Law. then with out the Godless third Party that Conspires to Make us enemys. the Cross and Crescent will Finally be able to Co-Exist in Peace.

Kalihnagara

Informed consent

One can go crazy trying to navigate all of the different Christian and Muslim schools of thought.
For me it boils down to a very simple distinction.

The Prophet says; "Submit".
Jesus Christ says; "Decide".

To my mind the latter represents a nobler intent.

Two things I am wary of in any of the Abrahamic faiths is any sect that treats redemption as a collective endeavor, and/or denies human agency in the working of His plan.
Reducing Him to a meddling magician micromanaging the cosmos like some power mad bureaucrat, and reducing us to marionettes with strings in place of purpose.

A created universe does not imply a directed one.

Octal, Divided Wastelands of America, Meryk, and Kalihnagara

Informed consent wrote:One can go crazy trying to navigate all of the different Christian and Muslim schools of thought.
For me it boils down to a very simple distinction.

The Prophet says; "Submit".
Jesus Christ says; "Decide".

To my mind the latter represents a nobler intent.

Two things I am wary of in any of the Abrahamic faiths is any sect that treats redemption as a collective endeavor, and/or denies human agency in the working of His plan.
Reducing Him to a meddling magician micromanaging the cosmos like some power mad bureaucrat, and reducing us to marionettes with strings in place of purpose.

A created universe does not imply a directed one.

I agree.
Redemption is a individual process. That one has to chose to accept.
Although I do struggle with the concept of Free Will. As if God Knows how everyone will live and down to the last detail before they where even conceived. Then how is our life's not pre-destined ? Surely their would be many people that God knows won't chose to be Saved even before their Born. And he knows who will accept salvation. And if so do we really have free Will ? Or is it an illusion ?
Sure we may think we have the choice to do something. But if God Knows what we will do before hand
Aren't we just following a Script written by fate ? Unless it's like a Chose your own Adventure book where all of the outcomes of your choices and the combinations their of Are already known by the author ?

Kalihnagara

Informed consent wrote:-click-

phew, there are a lot to be unpacked here if one is willing, but to me, when you wrote "A created universe does not imply a directed one" is essentially what me and my wife think about when we explore the possibility of what belief system should we teach our future children,
because God, with no doubt exist, but theological debate on him is going on forever and it's somewhat hypocrite to cherry pick wisdom from every religion we know of.

so far I believe it is best to approach the matter from pandeist point of view because i see it as theologically neutral.

i believe that there are only two outcomes for humanity.
galactic colonization, or complete annihilation
with the butterfly effect, even tiny decisions that we make right now, could flip us from utopia to dystopia.
I think we need a group of people to attempt to guess what decisions will lead us where.

Informed consent

Cassinia wrote:i believe that there are only two outcomes for humanity.
galactic colonization, or complete annihilation
with the butterfly effect, even tiny decisions that we make right now, could flip us from utopia to dystopia.
I think we need a group of people to attempt to guess what decisions will lead us where.

Dystopia is the only one of those conditions we are capable of establishing, and you start doing just that by appointing a round table to dictate how we go about questing for their holy grail instead of allowing each of us to quest for our own.
As to our fate...

"We are not meant to save this world."
"We are meant to leave it."
- Professor Brand, Interstellar

Kalihnagara wrote:phew, there are a lot to be unpacked here if one is willing, but to me, when you wrote "A created universe does not imply a directed one" is essentially what me and my wife think about when we explore the possibility of what belief system should we teach our future children,
because God, with no doubt exist, but theological debate on him is going on forever and it's somewhat hypocrite to cherry pick wisdom from every religion we know of.

so far I believe it is best to approach the matter from pandeist point of view because i see it as theologically neutral.

Even within the same church, temple, or synagogue, people can come to Him from different angles of understanding.
I do not know about mixing it up between wholly different schools.
There can be philosophical value there, but you must be very careful and respectful with what you juice in the intellectual blender.
A Christian borrowing from any and all orthodox and protestant sects to inform themselves is just theological due diligence as far as I am concerned.

It is kind of necessary when you try to account for the fundamental shifts and spin of the message as the Word has progressed through languages and history.
Considering how Roman and medieval orthodoxy nearly buried and lost the Gospel's true intentions in the illiterate ignorance of its parishioners, and its own craven desire for temporal power, Christians are very lucky, blessed really, to have anything resembling Christ's true purpose to learn from today.

Divided Wastelands of America wrote:I agree.
Redemption is a individual process. That one has to chose to accept.
Although I do struggle with the concept of Free Will. As if God Knows how everyone will live and down to the last detail before they where even conceived. Then how is our life's not pre-destined ? Surely their would be many people that God knows won't chose to be Saved even before their Born. And he knows who will accept salvation. And if so do we really have free Will ? Or is it an illusion ?
Sure we may think we have the choice to do something. But if God Knows what we will do before hand
Aren't we just following a Script written by fate ? Unless it's like a Chose your own Adventure book where all of the outcomes of your choices and the combinations their of Are already known by the author ?

Knowledge of the choices, and making a choice are two fundamentally different things for both mortals and deities.
Just as science will never quantify the Creator, because authors do not live inside their own written work, the author's knowledge of its own writing in no way dictates how you might open their book and pick through the pages.

Meryk and Kalihnagara

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